I'd be really interests yo know how he intends that a bomb 1000x more powerful that the ones dropped on Japan will know to only kill military, and not civilians, kids, animals. Interested to on his take on the radiation that will last for decades, maybe centuries...
His argument is a nonstarter, even if you could build a small "tactical" weapon, you can't control the fallout. In a way though, if you think militarily, really psychotic military style, then in a nuclear conflict; everyone and everything is a target, so Trident would just be targeting military targets.
I had a similar debate with someone a couple of months ago when they suggested we could use nuclear weapons to deal with ISIS in the middle east. When I pointed out that millions of innocent civilians would die with them they replied "not if we used tactical nuclear weapons and did a surgical strike." The ignorance some people have is staggering...
It is a sobering thought that all the atomic bombs ever detonated have only released a small percentage of the potential energy they contain. They could all be much, much more deadly if scientists could find a way to make them more "efficient". I am sure there are teams of them trying to do just this.
We need rid of them. This young man hasn't got a clue.
It's all the more scary when you remember that Mr Davy was the best Labour could put up in Alex Salmond's ex-seat.
There's an interesting few paragraphs in this month's "Private Eye" all about the cost of renewing Trident and the people who benefit most from it (excluding the obvious of the British hierarchy who are allowed to feel semi-important).
There's also an interesting comment about how much each of our subs costs, compared to how much they cost in America. As usual the brits are paying through the nose.
The ignorance and complacency shown by some people surrounding the use of nuclear weapons should be a concern for us all. These are not "surgically targeted" weapon systems but blunt instruments designed for mass murder aka a deterrent. That is why they have only been used twice in anger by any state and why the British military establishment regard the huge sums of money about to be spent on them as a complete waste since they cannot see any military situation in which they would be used. If they are used,it means that all military solutions have failed completely.
of course. If yu want to wipe out a small country they are very useful.
If you are trying to remove some leader and his entourage somewhere, then they are not ideal ... unless it doesn;t bother you that the collateral damage could run to tens of millions
I suppose you could say he is technically right. As we trudge around the post-nuclear landscape, sick with radiation poisoning and squinting out of our half-melted eyes, I'm sure we can all find consolation in the fact that the bomb wasn't meant for us. I'm quite certain it will give me the will to carry on, safe in the knowledge that no harm was meant.
Hi Terry, as long as they meant no harm it's fine. House gone, car gone, kids gone, town gone, relatives and friends gone... but they MEANT to only take out the airport!
Not sure I like the half melted eyes bit. Could you ask them if they could spare my eyes. Thank you.
By the way, Munguinites, Terry writes a blog too (see the side bar, blog roll==>). His blogging, although on serious subjects, often Europe, is witty and never fails to bring a smile. Go have a read. You'll get addicted too!
Someone should invent a precision bomb just for you, one that pulverises every body part but leave the eyes wholly intact. That way you can see all your missing limbs after they were scattered by the nuclear wind and then collect them in a bag for when you get hungry. I think I've gone way too far now.
I've clearly not read it all, Conan, but the first thing I noticed was the destruction of a city of 11 million people. Presumably Mr Davy thinks that the residents of Moscow are all military personnel.
Who is this guy - I've never heard of him? One thing for sure is that if these weapons are ever fired there will be precious few survivors and certainly no winners.
He moved up just a about 6 months before from England to stand against Alex Salmond for GE. His opinions were appalling, he had no clue about politics and by sounds of it,still doesn't know more. No wonder Labour in Scotland is almost dead if that is the dregs they have in party now. He is of the new kind of Labour, the Red Tories.
To be fair, I suspect that Labour didn't want to waste one of their serious candidates against Salmond. He was going to lose even with a unionist joint campaign of tactical voting, which if I remember favoured the Liberal Democrat anyway.
The sad thing is that this sort of thing is supposed to be an educative exercise from which candidates are supposed to learn and grow. I'm not sure he profited from it.
Can you recommend a good, Gaelic songs cd, fairly lively stuff, for me to take to a friend in Hungary. Obviously he won't understand a word, so something pretty up tempo and lively?
You could try "Oran na cloiche" by Norrie MacIver/Manran which is the story of the 'theft' of the Stone of Destiny. I understand that the Real Stone of Destiny will be produced on Independence Day. The translation of the song is on Google.
Incidentally, considering today and yesterday's subject, have you started a new series called "Identify the idiot"?
Love Manran. I'd forgotten that song, John. Truly love it. Hear it once and you're singing it (well humming it) all night.
Jutie, I completely agree. Beautiful beyond words. Lovely to see the audience singing along too.
I really wish we'd learned Gaelic at school.
I'm pretty sure Dani will love that stuff. We went to Ireland last year and he was so into their music. I think this will be a nice reminder of Scotland
John: Splendid idea. Identify the Idiot! You should be doing this blog instead of me. It was you who came up with Soppy Sunday.
By the way, did you know that our Dean was up on Harris this week? According to what I read on Twitter. I wonder he didn't come in to see you!
I went to night classes a few years ago to try and learn Gaelic. Languages don't seem to be my thing, as I struggled with German at school as well. :-(
Has he never heard of Hiroshima, Nagasaki or at a push Bikini atoll?
ReplyDeleteIf not, he is indeed scary, scarily uninformed.
I'd be really interests yo know how he intends that a bomb 1000x more powerful that the ones dropped on Japan will know to only kill military, and not civilians, kids, animals. Interested to on his take on the radiation that will last for decades, maybe centuries...
DeleteHmmmm
His argument is a nonstarter, even if you could build a small "tactical" weapon, you can't control the fallout. In a way though, if you think militarily, really psychotic military style, then in a nuclear conflict; everyone and everything is a target, so Trident would just be targeting military targets.
DeleteWell, Jim, I'm sure it won't hurt nearly as much if we think of ourselves as military targets.
DeleteI had a similar debate with someone a couple of months ago when they suggested we could use nuclear weapons to deal with ISIS in the middle east. When I pointed out that millions of innocent civilians would die with them they replied "not if we used tactical nuclear weapons and did a surgical strike." The ignorance some people have is staggering...
DeleteHi Pauloiw... You're right. It's actually quite scary. Does anyone know if Trump knows about this?
DeleteIt is a sobering thought that all the atomic bombs ever detonated have only released a small percentage of the potential energy they contain. They could all be much, much more deadly if scientists could find a way to make them more "efficient". I am sure there are teams of them trying to do just this.
ReplyDeleteWe need rid of them. This young man hasn't got a clue.
It's all the more scary when you remember that Mr Davy was the best Labour could put up in Alex Salmond's ex-seat.
DeleteThere's an interesting few paragraphs in this month's "Private Eye" all about the cost of renewing Trident and the people who benefit most from it (excluding the obvious of the British hierarchy who are allowed to feel semi-important).
There's also an interesting comment about how much each of our subs costs, compared to how much they cost in America. As usual the brits are paying through the nose.
The ignorance and complacency shown by some people surrounding the use of nuclear weapons should be a concern for us all.
ReplyDeleteThese are not "surgically targeted" weapon systems but blunt instruments designed for mass murder aka a deterrent.
That is why they have only been used twice in anger by any state and why the British military establishment regard the huge sums of money about to be spent on them as a complete waste since they cannot see any military
situation in which they would be used.
If they are used,it means that all military solutions have failed completely.
of course. If yu want to wipe out a small country they are very useful.
DeleteIf you are trying to remove some leader and his entourage somewhere, then they are not ideal ... unless it doesn;t bother you that the collateral damage could run to tens of millions
I suppose you could say he is technically right. As we trudge around the post-nuclear landscape, sick with radiation poisoning and squinting out of our half-melted eyes, I'm sure we can all find consolation in the fact that the bomb wasn't meant for us. I'm quite certain it will give me the will to carry on, safe in the knowledge that no harm was meant.
ReplyDeleteHi Terry, as long as they meant no harm it's fine. House gone, car gone, kids gone, town gone, relatives and friends gone... but they MEANT to only take out the airport!
DeleteNot sure I like the half melted eyes bit. Could you ask them if they could spare my eyes. Thank you.
:)
By the way, Munguinites, Terry writes a blog too (see the side bar, blog roll==>). His blogging, although on serious subjects, often Europe, is witty and never fails to bring a smile. Go have a read. You'll get addicted too!
DeleteSomeone should invent a precision bomb just for you, one that pulverises every body part but leave the eyes wholly intact. That way you can see all your missing limbs after they were scattered by the nuclear wind and then collect them in a bag for when you get hungry. I think I've gone way too far now.
DeleteHmmm... yes, maybe what you really need right now is a wee lie down... or a bit more water with whatever it is that you've been drinking!!
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Look he's an eejit - former Better Together activist and BLiS candidate. I think we can take it as read that he hasn't a clue!
ReplyDeleteYeah, that pretty much sums it all up. Well summarised, PP!
DeleteDestruction of the Russian capital has been
ReplyDeleteat the centre of British nuclear planning for 50 years...
http://www.icanw.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ifbritainfiredtrident.pdf
I've clearly not read it all, Conan, but the first thing I noticed was the destruction of a city of 11 million people. Presumably Mr Davy thinks that the residents of Moscow are all military personnel.
DeleteComforting to know civilians will survive the blast. Phew!
ReplyDeleteMunguin puts people's minds at rest again, Madison. We are proud of be of service! :)
DeleteWho is this guy - I've never heard of him? One thing for sure is that if these weapons are ever fired there will be precious few survivors and certainly no winners.
ReplyDeleteHe moved up just a about 6 months before from England to stand against Alex Salmond for GE. His opinions were appalling, he had no clue about politics and by sounds of it,still doesn't know more. No wonder Labour in Scotland is almost dead if that is the dregs they have in party now. He is of the new kind of Labour, the Red Tories.
DeleteTo be fair, I suspect that Labour didn't want to waste one of their serious candidates against Salmond. He was going to lose even with a unionist joint campaign of tactical voting, which if I remember favoured the Liberal Democrat anyway.
DeleteThe sad thing is that this sort of thing is supposed to be an educative exercise from which candidates are supposed to learn and grow. I'm not sure he profited from it.
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ReplyDeletehttp://wingsoverscotland.com/what-are-the-odds/
Encyclopedia Munguanica.
Don't say we're not helpful here.
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PS. John:
DeleteCan you recommend a good, Gaelic songs cd, fairly lively stuff, for me to take to a friend in Hungary. Obviously he won't understand a word, so something pretty up tempo and lively?
You could try "Oran na cloiche" by Norrie MacIver/Manran which is the story of the 'theft' of the Stone of Destiny. I understand that the Real Stone of Destiny will be produced on Independence Day. The translation of the song is on Google.
DeleteIncidentally, considering today and yesterday's subject, have you started a new series called "Identify the idiot"?
How about Capercaillie?
DeleteKaren Mathieson has the voice of an angel.
I don't understand a word, but it brings tears to this Dundonian.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5muVg_ZWek
Thanks so much guys...
DeleteLove Manran. I'd forgotten that song, John. Truly love it. Hear it once and you're singing it (well humming it) all night.
Jutie, I completely agree. Beautiful beyond words. Lovely to see the audience singing along too.
I really wish we'd learned Gaelic at school.
I'm pretty sure Dani will love that stuff. We went to Ireland last year and he was so into their music. I think this will be a nice reminder of Scotland
John: Splendid idea. Identify the Idiot! You should be doing this blog instead of me. It was you who came up with Soppy Sunday.
By the way, did you know that our Dean was up on Harris this week? According to what I read on Twitter. I wonder he didn't come in to see you!
I went to night classes a few years ago to try and learn Gaelic. Languages don't seem to be my thing, as I struggled with German at school as well. :-(
DeleteGaelic is seriously hard to learn as an adult. On a par with Hungarian, Finnish and Greenlandic.
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