But seriously people...
I think that pretty much regardless of who forms the government in an independent Scotland they are not going to stop you celebrating the birth of Jesus. Nor will they stop Diwali or Eid al Fitr or anything that is currently allowed.
And yes, people will still be allowed to make Christmas into a great huge festival of greed, booze, food and over indulgence, just as you are at the moment in the United Kingdom, and I have absolutely no doubt that there will still be people who will say, as I have heard them say in our present constitutional arrangement:... 'Christmas is brill. Dunno why they have to spoil it with all this religious stuff...'
So, you dear Young Scots Against Separation, keep taking the meds and let this be one less thing for you to worry your silly wee heads about. Uncle Munguin promises...
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Oh and if that wasn't enough madness for one night...
One of my Grandfathers worked for Weirs and he went out to work on Christmas day right up to the 1960's.
ReplyDeleteAdrian B
What point are you making?
DeleteHi Adrian; hi Lynne. Nice to see you on Munguin's Republic. I guess that the point of that is that even under the rule of the United Kingdom, Scotland didn't have Christmas day off. Even in what must have been the most British tf times in Scotland, post second world war.
DeleteSo, what Adrian is saying is, I think, even if there was some point in the post, it is wiped out by that evidence.
My point was that in Scotland for what ever reason or reasons working on Christmas day was very normal throughout most of the twentieth century. It was something that the majority of Scottish male workers would have done at the time. For 250 out of 300 years of Union this woad a regular normal thing to do.
DeleteJust why YSAS should decide that the real version of what happened was not good enough for todays version of history is rather odd.
I rather think that this is one of several twitter accounts under the control of those either in or close to BT directors.
Adrian B
Hi Tris
DeleteAnon makes a good point when I was young 1950s my father worked on Christmas day, right up to the mid 60s if my memory is correct.
He worked for that very Scottish company, British Road Services.
I see below that you thought it was funny Tris, would tragic not be a better description of this lack of knowledge.
Nice to see the Crackpots Corner is in business. Not worth replying to the erroneous substance.
ReplyDeleteHi Cedric... I just thought it was funny.
DeleteWasn't it Cromwell that banned Christmas? Wasn't he an Englishman that invaded an independent Scotland?
ReplyDeleteI wasn't sure about that. I found a site which says it was in fact banned after the Reformation, because the Kirk thought it a papish celebration. All masses were banned including Christ Mass.
Deletehttp://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow11.htm
I'm not sure how reliable that information is, but it does seem to be correct in other aspects.
Fair enough, happy to be corrected. Must one one of those urban myths! Still unless elect the Grinch as FM, I feel sure an independent Scotland won't ban Christmas
DeleteI've just looked at Young Scots against Separation and it doesn't sound like the work of a young person, unless that young person is like the 15 year old William Haig. There's a recent post about the prelims that sounds like it was written by a teacher! I suppose 'young' is relative. 80 is younger than 83.
ReplyDeleteLOL. Yes.
DeleteI agree. I suppose that there are wee Willie Haigs around, and suppose it is possible that they would band together... but as you say. Young is a comparative adjective.
They certainly don't sound like normal young people, who might be relied on not to care much about the celebration of their saviour's birth, but a bit more about the new Converse they were hoping for!!!
Galloway's use of language is interesting and reminds me of Michael Forsyth's. Galloway refers to Nicola Sturgeon as a Thatcher in a "kilt". Is Sturgeon known for wearing kilts? I don't know. Forsyth referred to tax raising powers as the "tartan" tax, as though the Scottish Parliament would be taxing tartans. It's interesting to see how both Forsyth and Galloway use the stereotypical terminology of other people and seem to have internalised their opinions. Maybe Flipper Darling will be the first to refer to "Jocks".
ReplyDeleteHi Kenny.
DeleteHe's a real weird bloke is Galloway. He seems to be sharing, or trying to share a platform with the people he has spent years fighting: the British establishment.
Why is he so against Britain poking its nose into other people's affairs but not into the affairs of Scotland. Clearly someone of his political nous realises that Scots don't want most of the crap that comes to us from London. He must have read the polls that show, somewhat ironically, that even Scots who are against independence want to get rid of Trident (which the Brits will never do), have Edinburgh run social security and taxation (because they believe it will be fairer), and have Edinburgh run defence (which would be much less inclined to engage in wars at Washington's command).
So why is he siding with David Cameron and Alistair Darling. Pillars of the Anglo/American establishment?
Some fun facts for this guy:
ReplyDeleteThere is no evidence that Jesus was born in December.
Early Christians had a habit of "re-purposing" local traditions as part of converting people. Most of the traditional celebration habits are far older than Christianity, they just stuck new names on them. Hogmanay may in fact be older than Christianity.
Winter Solstice (Christmas), and Spring fertility celebrations (Easter) are two glaringly obvious examples that spring to mind.
Absolutely Illy.
DeleteIt made sense to not deprive people of their festivals, which they loved. Long before television and nightclubs, in harsh conditions, particularly in the middle of winter (before central heating too) people looked forward to some sort of celebration in the middle of the winter and at the end.
To be honest, I thought that it was a spoof to begin with. How could anyone be that daft?
Hmmmmm....
Although, to be fair, the biblical references to the Passover tend to suggest the date of Easter is about right.
DeleteIs that really an argument against a YES vote? I say let bitter together and her cohorts of anti-'separation' monsters continue to push this crap out. It only helps the growing swing to YES we're seeing in the opinion polls.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree.The more stupid things that they say... No more Doctor Who; barbed wire border posts; the only European country thrown out of the EU; not allowed to use a currency that the irish used for 50 years after "separation" and that many other small states still use... the more they make fools of their arguments.
DeleteThe seem to go through a list of silly things to say, and as each is disproved they move on to something else.
As a NO voting neighbour of mine said the other day... You begin to wonder if anything they say is true.
Tris
DeleteAs a NO voting neighbour of mine said the other day... You begin to wonder if anything they say is true.
Get a copy made of the FT front page with the financial numbers on it. When you then say to people "of course Scotland can afford to be independent, and they say, well you would say that. Reply with do not take my word for it have a read of this article in the FT.
P.S. Is that the Dean who used to be a Tory, then Labour and now a Yesser, great work converting him Tris.
Its dean the former tory, who joined Scottis labour, remains scottish labour and has now accepted devo max is off the table and only labforindy remains!
DeleteA heck of a personal journey!
Read it here: http://civicjungle.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/indyref-why-im-considering-voting-yes.html
I'm not ashamed of my political journey, but all the saner, happier and self-assured for having the courage to transition into the unknown to make it.
And yes, Tristan has been a huge logical guide on the roadmap 66 to sanity and keir hardie home rule :)
Yes Dubs.
DeleteI sometimes think it's a pity that the FT only sells about 50 copies in Scotland!!!
Of course, no one else actually bothered carrying the story.
All too busy with the personal opinion of a man who was doing his best to create another story.
LOL I didn't convert him, Dubs... although I would have liked to. As I recall it was Braco who did that!
You should never be ashamed of your political journey, Dean.
DeleteIn fact it is far better to have travelled a bit on they journey to where you are, than to have started there and never changed.
In any case, politics changes.
The Tories of today don't realistically resemble the Tories of pre Thatcher.
Labour is hardly identifiable as the party of Harold Wilson, much less the post war Labour Party of Atlee that humanised Britain.
The SNP is not the same party as it was in the 1950s.
The Liberals...erm... ah well, least said soonest mended.
But thank you very very much for crediting me with having helped your journey. I truly am happy to have helped you.
:)
Dean
DeleteThat is one hell of a journey. Labour for indy is certainly better than the official Labour party.
I watched the podcast from Glasgow Alan Grogan was good as usual, but I thought that the lady who is deputy chair of LFI (sorry do not know her name) was excellent.
Dean
DeleteThat is one hell of a journey. Labour for indy is certainly better than the official Labour party.
I watched the podcast from Glasgow Alan Grogan was good as usual, but I thought that the lady who is deputy chair of LFI (sorry do not know her name) was excellent.
>>As a NO voting neighbour of mine said the other day... You begin to wonder if anything they say is true.
ReplyDeleteIt's going to be like the boy who cried wolf. One day a giant radioactive sea monster really will rise out of the Atlantic and terrorise Saltcoats, but when Jackie Bird reports on it we'll just laugh at her.
Yes...
ReplyDeleteExactly. They've done it too often.
The giant radioactive sea monster has already risen out of the Atlantic and terrorises me (don't know about Saltcoats). It's called SLAB in Holyrood with its UKOK tentacles and No Better Together tongue.
ReplyDeleteThe giant radioactive sea monster is already there. Its called Trident.
DeleteSo monstrous is it, it puts Japanese anime to shame! Shame I tell you!
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LOL you lot should write comic strips for National Collective.
DeleteHi Andy, welcome to MR! :)