Bullingdon boys just don't really understand the Scots. We don't like to be threatened by posh people. Very very silly of people like Ed Balls, Michael Kelly et al to back them up.
A good day for YES; a good day for Scotland.
Friday, 14 February 2014
HMM ...THE WORD THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS "BACKFIRED"
Bullingdon boys just don't really understand the Scots. We don't like to be threatened by posh people. Very very silly of people like Ed Balls, Michael Kelly et al to back them up.
A good day for YES; a good day for Scotland.
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Yeah they really don't get the thrawn nature of the people of Scotland do they. OR is it reverse psychology and they are trying to get rid by pissing us off?
ReplyDeleteNot a bloody clue.
DeleteBut then they never seem to have a clue about anything.
Any prime minister who says "money is no object" at any time (never mind when they are chucking vulnerable people out of their homes to save money) is a nut job. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that that will leave 99.99999% of the people dissatisfied in the long term, supposing you shower them with £10 billion...
Amatuer night at the Westminster playhouse.
You're up against all three of the legacy parties, not just the Tories. The 'arrangements' they have - the one's they've used to gut our democracy every decade since the war - are fairly comprehensive.
ReplyDeleteGood luck, you'll need it.
Steve
Hey Steve...
DeleteYep. No one said it would be easy, and god only knows what schemes they yet have up their sleeves. If they can sink this low 7 months before, lord knows what they will do to us the week before.
I reckon the Liberals are dead in the water. No one takes them seriously any more... so I wouldn't worry about them. In Scotland we just laugh at them really.
Whatever the Tories do here is always good for Yes. Even the sight of one of the posh boys telling us what to do in good for our side.
Labour is a different thing though. It's in the blood here. And though many Labour people I know are disillusioned with Blairism, and the less than spectacular "leader" they have here, they still have enormous power.
But they keep on spouting Tory policies at as and that could go. Ed at one with George. As I say Beaker can do whatever. Everyone thinks he's a joke now.
Thanks for your good wishes... as I said, maybe they will unleash the plague on us two weeks before the referendum... who knows.
They opened a can of worms by talking about what happens after the Yes. Previously they avoided the notion that it could happen. The debate has moved on to the level they never wanted to see. They have made independence seem inevitable and no longer pie-in-the-sky misty-eyed dreaming. What a shower of tits.
ReplyDeleteHigh Moray... nice to see you.
DeleteYeah, they do seem to have, without realising it, moved on to the next stage.
I wonder who conducts the Tory strategy meetings... Pickles? The Wee House Elf? Edwina Currie?
Who ever it is they should find an alternative.
Actually I did means to say 'Hi'... and not 'High'...
DeleteIt's Friday night...what can I say?
tris
ReplyDeleteOOer ! scary BT will have to surrender now....
Nooooooo. They should keep going Niko. A finer body of men I've yet to lay eyes on.
DeleteThey are doing a grand job.
Dear "Call me Dave",
ReplyDeleteFollowing your completely amazing "Love in" last week and the appearance yesterday of your underling Mr Osborne in Edinburgh to tell us that we could not have a currency union with rUK can I take this opportunity to thank you and your underlings for the sterling effort you are all putting in to ensure a YES victory in September.
Following your planned visit to Aberdeen next week with all your underlings in tow do you know when you or any of your underlings will be back in Scotland?
I only ask because I'm concerned that the most recent rise in support for Scottish independence will suffer a dip if you and yours do not continue to make your regular trips to Scotland to tell us all how stupid we are to want independence from rUK.
yours respectfully,
well sort of
Arbroath 1320
PSW Tris says you can stay at his place if you want to come to Dundee. He has a lot of friends who would like to meet you.
DeleteMunguin is particularly interested in spending time with you.
He likes Tories, but can't eat a whole one.
Niko, it is obvious now that Labour is tarred with the same brush as the Tories and the sycophantic toss-pots who put privileges before principles so they fit in nicely. I see the saintly Kelly who favoured Irish "freedom" is claiming that "Scottish" Labour will oppose a Yes vote even if it happens.
ReplyDeleteActually, I only wanted to talk about the interview of Sturgeon by Brillo and his colleague where they aggressively and hectoringly and sometimes rudely interrupted her and pretended they did not hear her answer but changed their tone when they questioned the Tory MP and even prompted him in an attempt to denigrate Scotland and they adopted the same tone to the "English Democrat" who, to be fair, talked a lost of sense which should appeal to my Englih friends and relations. For some reason which I really can't explain I was quite embarrassed by the programme and it's presenters.
I missed that John. But I gather that Brillo gave Nicola a hard time. It's a pity she didn't remind him of what he said about the future in the event of a no vote.
DeleteKelly is a prat.
Colour coming back into your face niko?
ReplyDeleteAs moraycoast hinted .....people are starting see that Independence is a possibility and the barriers to voting for it are crumbling before their eyes. Scots are starting to see the possibilities.
Your post reeks of fear.
All the best come September .........aye right!
I guess it had to come. We are 7 montds away from the most important day in our lives...
DeleteTo the right of the left... To freedom to make our future... or to a very uncertain future of cuts and austerity with Dave or MargarED.
Niko, just before I get dragged to the pub my final word on Kelly is that if I wanted a comedian to boost the Yes campaign I'd have picked Kevin Bridges or Frankie Boyle but, for the moment, you'll do nicely, Mr Kelly! Slainte mhor agus oidche mhath!!
ReplyDeleteJOhn. I hope these rough island boys aren't bullying you into going to the pub when you would rather be at home chust reading your bible.
DeleteLOL Frankie Boyle would be good for a laugh.
Health and a good night to you too...
Only time will tell precisely how their intervention will impact, though I predict the perception that bettertogether is riddled by fear mongering has caught on. And already we're seeing the Scots undecideds swing against them.
ReplyDeleteWill the 2-5% swing become greater, even 10%? At that point we could see even the most freverently pro-nae polling show a tight race!
Well, it's early days, and of course the press will do their best to make up tales of woe...
DeleteAs I said, I was absolutely amazed at the Mail blatantly saying that Eck had run away and hidden... when he was on three tv shows doing interviews.
I mean seriously! How insulting to Scots. We do HAVE television here in Scotland, Mr Dacre! And we DO know what we see.
Try to keep it a little real...
We are witnessing the death of the British Labour Party in Scotland.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it is just the Labour party but the whole arrogant British state with its supine media based in the centre of world wide corruption.
DeleteHello Jutie... Long time no see...
DeleteYes. I think Allan Grogan better get himself prepared. He may find that we need him, because if Labour to a man will operate against Scotland in the event of a YES vote, we could do without them. They can trot off to London and get their seats in the Lords.
Tris
DeleteAlan Grogan is the main speaker at a Yes/Labour for Indy meeting in Leven in March.
Do you think we should look for a bigger hall.
I'd certainly not have a small hall, Dubs.
DeleteHe's not a bad speaker, and he's saying the kind of things that real Labour people have been itching to hear since before Blair came up with all his smarmy "independent schoolboy" blethers.. ie Thatcherism.
Yes. I imagine he's only going to get more popular as Labour throw their lot in with the hated Conservatives.
:)
Juteman @ 7:28
ReplyDelete'We are witnessing the death of the British Labour Party in Scotland.'
I wish I could say the same of the British Labour Party in England.
Steve
Don't you marginally prefer them to the Tories, Steve?
DeleteA favourite photo of mine is one of my grandfather at the gates of Plainmoor (home of Torquay United) in 1921. He's holding a metal bucket containing the coppers (pennies) he's collected from the arriving fans. The money was for the Labour Party.
DeleteI've never voted Tory, never will - but I hate what the Labour Party have done to England.
Steve
I hope folk in every corner of the British Isles can play their part in destroying the Westminster dictatorship.
ReplyDeleteI think if Scotland goes and the Tories and Labour continue to demand austerity AND Trident AND the fourth largest military spend in the world... we will see this happen.
DeleteI hope we really are seeing the death of the Labour party in Scotland because they've been bloody useless for too long! Nu Labour was the start of the end and it can't come quick enough afaic.
ReplyDeleteI hope a new proper old school Labour will emerge from the ashes.
Hello mamaclanger...
DeleteYes. I was just saying that it would be a good idea if people like Allan Grogan prepared for service. We need people of his calibre. Proper socialist.
I*wish we could see the death of the Brit Labour Party in Wales.
ReplyDeleteGood luck in September
Hello to you too R Tyler...
DeleteAre they still very strong in Wales? I used to have a bit of time for Carwyn Jones. He seemed more like a socialist than our own bunch of right wing ninnies, but him apparently saying he would veto Scotland using the pound made me first of all wonder who in the name of heaven he thought he was... and secondly, made me think he was another one in the Tory pockets.
snp malcontents and brownlie
ReplyDeleteSeems to me and other good judges it is
the snp cybernats who have lost all control.
seeing imaginary swings in the poll
(what polls you ask well the polls that you find
in the unhinged nationalist mind)
then they wish death yes actual death to the
Labour party now that is scary.
Why is John singled out as NOT being an SNP malcontent?
Deletecos you wouldnt read it otherwise
ReplyDeleteScotland referendum: politics at the business end
In the past eight days everything about the debate on Scottish devolution has changed
This is the month in which the debate about Scotland's future has suddenly got harder edged – and also more real. Until the end of January it often felt as though the Scottish National party was being allowed to set the terms unchallenged – and would perhaps be able to do so right up to the autumn referendum – all in the confident expectation of a comfortable no vote on 18 September. Until now, the version of Scottish independence under discussion was invariably the one proposed in the Panglossian you-won't-feel-a-thing terms recently cultivated by the SNP – an independent Scotland seamlessly retaining the crown, the pound, Europe, the NHS and Nato. As depicted by Alex Salmond, this Scotland was in many respects not so very different from the devolved and distinct nation of today.
But the pretend version cannot be maintained any longer. So in the past eight days everything has changed. David Cameron's soft-cop speech in favour of the union in London, followed by George Osborne's hard-cop address rejecting currency union in Edinburgh on Thursday have raised the stakes. They will also surely galvanise the debate for a long time, perhaps right through to September
These have been co-ordinated interventions, almost certainly long prepared. Between them they represent a twin challenge to the soft-edged version of independence that is Mr Salmond's pitch. On the one hand they promote a more positive existential case for the union than before. On the other they offer a wake-up call about some of the tough things that independence could really mean. Together they are a counter-attack on the SNP's smiley version of a cost-free separation. Given the importance of the issues for everyone in the United Kingdom, this new toughness is largely to be welcomed.
There is no doubt, if only because the polls make it clear, that economic issues are pivotal in the Scottish debate. People are more likely to vote for independence if they think their job, their mortgage and their pension are all rock-solid safe. They are more likely to vote against independence if they fear these things are even a little at risk. Recent years have made people cautious. So Mr Osborne's speech was a crucial one – and it could not have been much clearer.
The case against currency union is an impressive one. It reflects the mood and the reality of the times, where the stresses and strains of the eurozone offer a warning of the risks of a badly executed or politically opportunist union. It is true that two separating nations that wanted to make a currency union work might find ways to do so. But the SNP is not primarily interested in strengthening the union. So there is no inherent reason why the remaining UK should prioritise anyone's interests other than its own. Yes, Mr Osborne could have made the case against currency union more in sorrow than in anger than he did. But his case cannot be dismissed as bullying or bluster, as Mr Salmond, who always plays the man rather than the ball, claimed.
ReplyDeleteMr Osborne's case was made politically stronger by the fact it was tightly co-ordinated with Labour and the Liberal Democrats. It remains to be seen how the one in three Scots who say their minds are not yet made up will respond. The likelihood in the long term is probably that the undecideds will divide much as the decideds have done. Taken together with Mr Cameron's speech last week, Mr Osborne's helps give the pro-union parties more standing to make a reasoned case in the face of the SNP's predictable sneering and occasional evasions.
Now they need to start spelling out their plans for strengthening the UK's social union and some new, perhaps federalist, thinking about UK governance. This will not be easy for a Tory party that remains so in thrall to Thatcherite ideas and parts of which are destructively focused on Ukip. But the pro-union counter-attack has been launched and all the parties have no alternative except to follow it through.
The battle for Scotland begins
ReplyDeleteNiko,
DeleteHave you been on the wine gums?
David Cameron’s speech was roundly laughed at.
A man so brave that he lectured on Scotland from Stratford. And begged people to phone someone in Scotland and beg them to stay. ET phone home….
Upon which texts and tweets (yeah, we don’t much phone people these days, Dave) arrived by the thousands telling us to run the hell away as quick as we could go, and that people would come and live in Scotland if we were free.
Great.
Where did this article come from? The Daily Mail?
But you are right... The battle for Scotland is now underway.
Do we save it for ourselves or lose it to the Tories and their Labour mates?
Simples.
Very good analysis from Derek here.
ReplyDeletehttp://derekbateman1.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/headless-chickens/
A poll for the Daily Record found the gap between Yes and No narrowing to 4 points - which translates to 48% Yes to 52% No when don't knows are excluded.
ReplyDeleteTris,
DeleteAny further details on that poll?
Can't find anything Douglas and I can't remember where I read it... damn!!!!
DeleteNiko says: " Mr Osborne's case was made politically stronger by the fact it was tightly co-ordinated with Labour and the Liberal Democrats. "
ReplyDeleteDear oh dear! This is exactly why the Labour Party is dying on its erse in Scotland.
Joining at the hip with the Tories, to tell Scotland they are prepared to work against her best interests?
...And Labour People have convinced themselves this was a good move :-)
Bloody Hell!!!
True. You'd think they would have looked at what happened to the Liberals.... If you join up with the Tories, you fizzle up and bust.
DeleteCoalition with Ed Balls and Gid Osborne. Lovely.
Yes, Niko, you and me against the SNP malcontents - no bother!!!
ReplyDeleteTris
ReplyDeleteI suspect the big losers here will be Labour. They have firmly cast themselves as the extras in this Tory B Movie and I suspect that will backfire on them, on top of the power battle between Labour MPs and msps, they really are a shambles and long may it continue. I have also heard a couple of Labour voters saying they are now yes. Better Together really are panicking now, I would love to know what the private polling is telling them.
Bruce
An invincible team id say.
ReplyDeleteProbably Bruce.
DeleteIf you flee with the cras ye mun expect to be shot... as my granny would say.
Doesn't help when their official health spokesman starts making jokes about cancer...