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Friday, 5 February 2016
LABOUR MSP LIST LEAKED
Hilarious. For the full list of fresh new talent, which looks uncannily like the full list of stale second rate numpties, see Stuart's hilarious piece on the leaked list.
I love looking at candidate lists. Occasionally some talent appears (and before Niko think s I'm a raving Nat, I mean ALL parties). In this case of Labour I can't see anyone who will fire the blood. I reckon the Tories will win more seats than Labour, and that I think will finally force Scottish Labour rank and file members to tell Labour HQ to "go away". They are going to be reliant on the List seats. As for Jackie Baillie..... they really need rid of that woman.
The upcoming by-election may be interesting to get a feel for how things may turn out, although by-elections tend to have low turnouts. I get a feeling Mr Melville has been "persuaded" to resign. But it's not some new phenomenon, given a surprising number of councillors across the UK cause acute embarrassment to their respective parties.
If the Tories beat Labour then I can't see how Kezia can stay.
Fair enough they have paved the way for a humiliating defeat from the SNP (which will save her bacon, and, if it's not quite as bad as expected will embarrass the SNP), but losing to the Tories... the bloody Tories...would be the end of her, surely.
As for Mr Melville, I know him, and I liked him. I've no idea what happened, apart from what I've read in the Courier. Not perhaps the most reliable source.
I'm certainly not going to comment on his situation.
I will say, however, that one of the things I most loathe is racism, and another is stupid drunks who tweet shit at 3 am. Whoever they are.
Being drunk is NEVER an excuse for offensive or potentially illegal behaviour, for anyone.
Too many people embarrass their parties, particularly, but not exclusively, at council level.
Will consider the new ' A ' team for Labour and give my views after some cogitation my first quick response is they seem to possess their fill of righteousness almost blessed With the divine right to rule .
Read some of me previous comments Niko. I'll happily criticise the SNP when others look at them through rose-tinted glasses. I don't accept the constant blaming of Westminster for all our ills - the SNP needs to accept responsibility when they screw up.
This constant attack on ms baillie just Exposes the nats inate misogyny Criticising her policies using Her physical characteristics is what One has come to expect from a certain Type of nationalist
I'm being defamed. My lifelong love of women and their company knows few bounds. If that defamatory slur is not retracted I will not sue, so long as a donation is made to my charity - weightwatchers UK.
Jabba has form in her economy with the truth. I see she is about to be joined by another nasty piece of work from Central region - also with a weight problem, but ( and I know her ) kind of attractive in a sort of dominatrix kind of way.
So where's the mysogyny? Its the accent, the untrustworthiness, the rent a lie nature of the dirty politics she plays which I detest in the great Water Horse of Baile Eilidh.
Niko: Not sure I'd stand up for Jackie. Seems to me she's a raving Tory.
She's also a liar. Whether it is on matters to do with health, or finance or her beloved nuclear weapons she tells lies.
Yes, it's probably unpleasant to have a go at her for her size. I accept that.
But there's a lot of that about. "Wee Lassie with a tin helmet" ring any bells? or comments about the girth of Eck?
And now you've got Saor Alba upset. And he'll be after you unless you donate to his charity. Or worse you might be the lead character in his next book, Garry Hot Pot and the Plate of Donuts!
And... If I were you Saor, I'd go take a cold shower or something.
If John Brownlie reads this he'll tell mrs Niko next time they are at the bingo! You know what he's like when he's had a port and lemon...can't keep him mouth shut.
Jackie Baillie - top of Labour's list in my region. Well guess which party isn't getting my second vote. Ken MacIntosh is 4th and Stu reckons he'd get in which is handy because I see him losing his constituency seat to the Tories.
Anas Sarwar - look it won't happen but I'd love it for Labour not to get enough votes for any list seat in Glasgow and Mr "Holyrood is an elected dictatorship" to be rejected again. Mind you that must have been some dinner he threw for the Labour Great and Good whilst angling for a seat.
It's all the trusty old guard who may well lose their seats.
This is cross party... including the SNP. If you don't win a constituency seat... ie are rejected by the voters, taking a list seat is a bit like losing a seat in a Westminster election and immediately accepting a title and £300 a day for being an aristocrat.
It's plain wrong.
So Anas Sarwar, taking a list seat in parliament after being rejected by the voters is wrong. Same for all the MSPs for all parties.
When it comes to Sarwar, they appear to want him (putting him at the top of the list). I'm not sure why. He doesn't come over as being either very bright, or a good or charismatic speaker. I guess he is very rich though.
And as you say, why would he want to be an MSP in this elected dictatorship where there is not democracy...by comparison with the UK.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
excessive pride or self-confidence. "the self-assured hubris among economists was shaken in the late 1980s" synonyms: arrogance, conceit, conceitedness, haughtiness, pride, vanity, self-importance, self-conceit, pomposity, superciliousness, feeling of superiority; More hauteur informal uppitiness, big-headedness
(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.
Yeah it will be a bloodbath but not that much of one we will survive and this will be the high tide mark of snpBAD. Joining hands with the English conservatives will hurt the snpBAD using the same reasons to stay in the EU which appply for the UK will hurt snpBAD. the taxation question is going to and is hurting snpBAD a question have will have to answer and giving the same answer as the English conservatives will hurt snpBAD.
After this labour can only go up after this snpBAD can only go down.............enjoy the moment it will pass the future remains the one United Kingdom which the snpBAD position on YES to the EU strengthens like an Iron grip
Of course you are right. Once you have lost more or less everything, in theory, the only way is up. The Rt Hon Jim should have learned that, if not in his lengthy university career, at least when he promised to not lose a single seat to the SNP and then, did exactly that ... or sort of...as he managed to keep, just one solitary seat. (Fortunately not his own.)
Of course Labour will see an improvement in their fortunes, and the SNP can't go on taking more and more, when there's nothing left to take.
But Labour under Dugdale is so catastrophically bad, that the Tory type Labourites, the Blairite/Murphyite/Harrisite from the leafy suburbs are deserting it for the Tories, while the left of centre are deserting it for the SNP.
How it can get worse for labour is, as opinion polls showed this week, the Tories become the second party in Scotland. What a disaster that would be. Yes, miles behind the SNP, but still just in front of Labour.
I dunno where you see this one united kingdom... I don't.
There's not one Labour party; not one Tory party. Everyone is falling out over Europe.
But I understand that Mr Corbyn is taking a pro Europe line. That's interesting.
Strangely Tris I do remember that, then Fooksy wanted them done away with. Well something tells me and it might be a wee bird, they want to be "second string MSP's" now. (apologies for the bunnies)
Yes, and Sarwar wants to be part of the elected dictatorship that he so berated.
Odd that when the Holyrood election produces a far more balanced parliament than the UK one. After all, if we switched to the Uk system, there really would be an elected one party state.
Cannot think of anyone on the list who has made a contribution to Scottish Society but, then again, neither, as far as I know did the noble lords Darling, Martin, Reid, McConnell, etc etc. It is interesting the number of current MSP who are on the list - just in case. Who is the guy in the fore-front who goes to Hitler's barber?
Have just been watching FMQs and it is no wonder that the Tories are over-taking Labour in Scotland. Davidson is much more confident and succinct than Dugdale. Dugdale's contribution is halting, long-winded and placing emphasis on the wrong word like someone who has just learned to speak English. If I still worked for the Labour party I would advise her to ask simple questions, saying the same things as now but with more brevity than at present.
1. Why are the SNP so bad? 2. Why are your MSPs so bad? 3. Why are your policies so bad? 4. Why are you so bad?
Davidson is certainly far more effective at FMQs. And she has put Sturgeon on the defensive more than once (regardless what others might think). Davidson is also aware that it's a bit easier to make the Scottish Government appear awkward, since they've been in power for 2 terms. The old "previous administration" excuse - used in Westminster too much - is wearing thin and frankly ineffective. Davidson can attack from that angle since the previous administration was Lab/Lib.
I read a tweet soemwhere that the PO has given them all a talking to about their behaviour at FMQs. No wonder. They are like a crowd of school children. Clearly they went on a course to London to find out how a kindergarten works.
I hope she pointed out that we don't pay them £60,000 a year to shout and bang your desks, no matter what party you come from. If they want to do that sod off to a primary school at playtime.
Dugdale hasn't really improved over the last year. She still whines, and yeah, makes the Gettysburg Address every time she wants to ask a question. get on with it, and then make room for the proper questions from members. No one is that interesting in the political posturing.
I hate Ruth's politics but she's a stronger performer. She doesn't whine, and a bit like her predecessor she can land a blow.
Our parliaments are quite tame compared to others in the world, some which have full blown brawls. Even better was the Irish (?) politician who said to an opponent "F*** You". Quite funny to watch but on the other hand not exactly correct parliamentary behaviour.
Indeed.. But we have to cut waste in everything else. Why not the amount of time these people boo and hiss and roar and thump their desks and plaster with long drawn out questions.
Seriously, if I were at a meeting and made a long boring speech the chair would tell me to sit down... well, a bit like the PO did to the terminally boring James Kelly, or the Speaker in England did with that Soubray character...It's not about you!
Gordo's got bigger fish to fry. besides if he was actually an MSP he might have to answer some questions... like what happened to the Vow he was going to guarantee personally?
BBC Scotland doesn't need to stand. it's a bit like the Queen. It gets to have its say without presenting itself to the people who pay for it.
I told you that grotesque hippopotamine liar would top her list. She'll be there eating all the pies for another term.
ReplyDeleteSaor Alba
Perhaps they found it difficult to move her? *cough*
Deletezog
She's what Slab think of as an elder statesman or Grandee!!!!
DeleteOuch Zog!
DeleteI love looking at candidate lists. Occasionally some talent appears (and before Niko think s I'm a raving Nat, I mean ALL parties). In this case of Labour I can't see anyone who will fire the blood. I reckon the Tories will win more seats than Labour, and that I think will finally force Scottish Labour rank and file members to tell Labour HQ to "go away". They are going to be reliant on the List seats. As for Jackie Baillie..... they really need rid of that woman.
ReplyDeleteThe upcoming by-election may be interesting to get a feel for how things may turn out, although by-elections tend to have low turnouts. I get a feeling Mr Melville has been "persuaded" to resign. But it's not some new phenomenon, given a surprising number of councillors across the UK cause acute embarrassment to their respective parties.
zog
If the Tories beat Labour then I can't see how Kezia can stay.
DeleteFair enough they have paved the way for a humiliating defeat from the SNP (which will save her bacon, and, if it's not quite as bad as expected will embarrass the SNP), but losing to the Tories... the bloody Tories...would be the end of her, surely.
As for Mr Melville, I know him, and I liked him. I've no idea what happened, apart from what I've read in the Courier. Not perhaps the most reliable source.
I'm certainly not going to comment on his situation.
I will say, however, that one of the things I most loathe is racism, and another is stupid drunks who tweet shit at 3 am. Whoever they are.
Being drunk is NEVER an excuse for offensive or potentially illegal behaviour, for anyone.
Too many people embarrass their parties, particularly, but not exclusively, at council level.
C'mon Niko, let's hear your views on this bunch of "fresh new talent"
ReplyDeleteYes, that would be interesting in a serious way.
DeleteIt seems to me that Kezia wanted to attract new fresh talent, but that there was almost none to be attracted.
Tris
ReplyDeleteWill consider the new ' A ' team for Labour and give my views after some cogitation
my first quick response is they seem to possess their fill of righteousness almost blessed
With the divine right to rule .
Zog commander ?
Not a raving nat just
Behaves remarkably like one
Read some of me previous comments Niko. I'll happily criticise the SNP when others look at them through rose-tinted glasses. I don't accept the constant blaming of Westminster for all our ills - the SNP needs to accept responsibility when they screw up.
Deletezog
Niko. The new team for Labour is pretty much the old tem for labour. Why do you have to cogitate?
DeleteAnd Zog is the least "raving" Nat on here. He's frequently very critical.
tris
Deleteapropos zog I know just stirring the pot as usual
apologies zog
Naughty Niko.
DeleteTris and others
ReplyDeleteThis constant attack on ms baillie just
Exposes the nats inate misogyny
Criticising her policies using
Her physical characteristics is what
One has come to expect from a certain
Type of nationalist
Ah. You fancy her, don't you Niko?
DeleteShe's a serial liar.
DeleteI'm being defamed. My lifelong love of women and their company knows few bounds. If that defamatory slur is not retracted I will not sue, so long as a donation is made to my charity - weightwatchers UK.
DeleteJabba has form in her economy with the truth. I see she is about to be joined by another nasty piece of work from Central region - also with a weight problem, but ( and I know her ) kind of attractive in a sort of dominatrix kind of way.
So where's the mysogyny? Its the accent, the untrustworthiness, the rent a lie nature of the dirty politics she plays which I detest in the great Water Horse of Baile Eilidh.
I love women. Not that one.
Saor Alba
Niko: Not sure I'd stand up for Jackie. Seems to me she's a raving Tory.
DeleteShe's also a liar. Whether it is on matters to do with health, or finance or her beloved nuclear weapons she tells lies.
Yes, it's probably unpleasant to have a go at her for her size. I accept that.
But there's a lot of that about. "Wee Lassie with a tin helmet" ring any bells? or comments about the girth of Eck?
And now you've got Saor Alba upset. And he'll be after you unless you donate to his charity. Or worse you might be the lead character in his next book, Garry Hot Pot and the Plate of Donuts!
And... If I were you Saor, I'd go take a cold shower or something.
Conan
ReplyDeleteerr! ( coyly looking down at the floor face reddening ) not saying
If John Brownlie reads this he'll tell mrs Niko next time they are at the bingo! You know what he's like when he's had a port and lemon...can't keep him mouth shut.
DeleteDon't say you weren't warned.
Jackie Baillie - top of Labour's list in my region. Well guess which party isn't getting my second vote. Ken MacIntosh is 4th and Stu reckons he'd get in which is handy because I see him losing his constituency seat to the Tories.
ReplyDeleteAnas Sarwar - look it won't happen but I'd love it for Labour not to get enough votes for any list seat in Glasgow and Mr "Holyrood is an elected dictatorship" to be rejected again. Mind you that must have been some dinner he threw for the Labour Great and Good whilst angling for a seat.
It's all the trusty old guard who may well lose their seats.
DeleteThis is cross party... including the SNP. If you don't win a constituency seat... ie are rejected by the voters, taking a list seat is a bit like losing a seat in a Westminster election and immediately accepting a title and £300 a day for being an aristocrat.
It's plain wrong.
So Anas Sarwar, taking a list seat in parliament after being rejected by the voters is wrong. Same for all the MSPs for all parties.
When it comes to Sarwar, they appear to want him (putting him at the top of the list). I'm not sure why. He doesn't come over as being either very bright, or a good or charismatic speaker. I guess he is very rich though.
And as you say, why would he want to be an MSP in this elected dictatorship where there is not democracy...by comparison with the UK.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
DeletesnpBAD
ReplyDeletehubris
noun: hubris
excessive pride or self-confidence.
"the self-assured hubris among economists was shaken in the late 1980s"
synonyms: arrogance, conceit, conceitedness, haughtiness, pride, vanity, self-importance, self-conceit, pomposity, superciliousness, feeling of superiority; More
hauteur informal uppitiness, big-headedness
(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride towards or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.
Yeah it will be a bloodbath but not that much of one we will
survive and this will be the high tide mark of snpBAD.
Joining hands with the English conservatives will hurt the snpBAD
using the same reasons to stay in the EU which appply for the UK
will hurt snpBAD.
the taxation question is going to and is hurting snpBAD a question
have will have to answer and giving the same answer as the English
conservatives will hurt snpBAD.
After this labour can only go up after this snpBAD can only
go down.............enjoy the moment it will pass the future
remains the one United Kingdom which the snpBAD position on YES
to the EU strengthens like an Iron grip
Blair, Brown, Darling, Foulkes...
DeleteThanks for the English lesson, Niko.
DeleteOf course you are right. Once you have lost more or less everything, in theory, the only way is up. The Rt Hon Jim should have learned that, if not in his lengthy university career, at least when he promised to not lose a single seat to the SNP and then, did exactly that ... or sort of...as he managed to keep, just one solitary seat. (Fortunately not his own.)
Of course Labour will see an improvement in their fortunes, and the SNP can't go on taking more and more, when there's nothing left to take.
But Labour under Dugdale is so catastrophically bad, that the Tory type Labourites, the Blairite/Murphyite/Harrisite from the leafy suburbs are deserting it for the Tories, while the left of centre are deserting it for the SNP.
How it can get worse for labour is, as opinion polls showed this week, the Tories become the second party in Scotland. What a disaster that would be. Yes, miles behind the SNP, but still just in front of Labour.
I dunno where you see this one united kingdom... I don't.
There's not one Labour party; not one Tory party. Everyone is falling out over Europe.
But I understand that Mr Corbyn is taking a pro Europe line. That's interesting.
Don't tell me, Dan, that the big three (and ffoulkes) are standing too?
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DeletePete Wishart @PeteWishart 2h2 hours ago
Remember the days when SLab MPs used to berate list MSPs as elected failures and rejects.....?
Strangely Tris I do remember that, then Fooksy wanted them done away with. Well something tells me and it might be a wee bird, they want to be "second string MSP's" now. (apologies for the bunnies)
DeleteYes, and Sarwar wants to be part of the elected dictatorship that he so berated.
DeleteOdd that when the Holyrood election produces a far more balanced parliament than the UK one. After all, if we switched to the Uk system, there really would be an elected one party state.
Cannot think of anyone on the list who has made a contribution to Scottish Society but, then again, neither, as far as I know did the noble lords Darling, Martin, Reid, McConnell, etc etc. It is interesting the number of current MSP who are on the list - just in case. Who is the guy in the fore-front who goes to Hitler's barber?
ReplyDeleteAh bless him that's "sit down Mr Kelly"... the guy who could take a week to make a point of order.
DeleteFine fellow. And he's every bit as bright as he looks.
Have just been watching FMQs and it is no wonder that the Tories are over-taking Labour in Scotland. Davidson is much more confident and succinct than Dugdale. Dugdale's contribution is halting, long-winded and placing emphasis on the wrong word like someone who has just learned to speak English. If I still worked for the Labour party I would advise her to ask simple questions, saying the same things as now but with more brevity than at present.
ReplyDelete1. Why are the SNP so bad?
2. Why are your MSPs so bad?
3. Why are your policies so bad?
4. Why are you so bad?
Davidson is certainly far more effective at FMQs. And she has put Sturgeon on the defensive more than once (regardless what others might think). Davidson is also aware that it's a bit easier to make the Scottish Government appear awkward, since they've been in power for 2 terms. The old "previous administration" excuse - used in Westminster too much - is wearing thin and frankly ineffective. Davidson can attack from that angle since the previous administration was Lab/Lib.
Deletezog
I read a tweet soemwhere that the PO has given them all a talking to about their behaviour at FMQs. No wonder. They are like a crowd of school children. Clearly they went on a course to London to find out how a kindergarten works.
DeleteI hope she pointed out that we don't pay them £60,000 a year to shout and bang your desks, no matter what party you come from. If they want to do that sod off to a primary school at playtime.
Dugdale hasn't really improved over the last year. She still whines, and yeah, makes the Gettysburg Address every time she wants to ask a question. get on with it, and then make room for the proper questions from members. No one is that interesting in the political posturing.
I hate Ruth's politics but she's a stronger performer. She doesn't whine, and a bit like her predecessor she can land a blow.
Frankly Kezia never does.
Our parliaments are quite tame compared to others in the world, some which have full blown brawls. Even better was the Irish (?) politician who said to an opponent "F*** You". Quite funny to watch but on the other hand not exactly correct parliamentary behaviour.
Deletezog
Indeed.. But we have to cut waste in everything else. Why not the amount of time these people boo and hiss and roar and thump their desks and plaster with long drawn out questions.
DeleteSeriously, if I were at a meeting and made a long boring speech the chair would tell me to sit down... well, a bit like the PO did to the terminally boring James Kelly, or the Speaker in England did with that Soubray character...It's not about you!
Why no Gordy Broon? Surely bbc Scotland is on Labour's List.
ReplyDeleteGordo's got bigger fish to fry. besides if he was actually an MSP he might have to answer some questions... like what happened to the Vow he was going to guarantee personally?
DeleteBBC Scotland doesn't need to stand. it's a bit like the Queen. It gets to have its say without presenting itself to the people who pay for it.
Like the Queen it should be disposed of.
New Labour blood? No just clots.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant!
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