BUT I WAS TOLD, ON APPARENTLY GOOD AUTHORITY, THAT YOUR NOBLENESSES WERE UNELECTED, AND DESCENDED FROM THE VERY LOWEST OF LOWLIFE... WHY WOULD I GIVE A FIG WHAT YOU THINK?
BUT TO BE FAIR, I
WAS WONDERING IF YOU SEE ANY IRONY, YOUR MAGNIFICENCE, IN CASTIGATING MR CORBYN FOR BEING APPARENTLY "UNELECTABLE", WHEN YOU YOURSELF HAD SUCH A STUNNING LACK OF SUCCESS IN THAT DEPARTMENT OVER A PERIOD OF 9 YEARS, AND ONLY EVER ENTERED DOWNING STREET BY INVITATION OF THE PRIME MINISTER... BEFORE LEAVING ACTUAL POLITICS TO BECOME SIMULTANEOUSLY AN UNELECTED COMMISSIONER AND UNELECTED BRIGAND, MUGGER, BRIBER AND GANGSTER?
EXPERT OR WHAT?
The guy in the background looks a bit like Keith Brown and about to strangle Kinnock.
ReplyDeleteHmmmm yes. Well, these things happen amongst the inbred aristos.
DeleteIf the Labour party was a genuinely socialist party, there should never have been any Lsbour Lords.
ReplyDeleteKinnock is just anoher in a long, long line of hypocrites.
As I said on Twitter to His Nobleness The Baron ffoulkes of Prison Cell (Hick), in the moments before he blocked me... Have you ever heard of anything more idiotic than a Labour Lord?
DeleteAs a revising chamber the HoL works well; when considering the poor decisions of Blair and Cameron to stuff it full of fund raising associates.
ReplyDeleteHaving scientists, former ministers of the crown, social policy experts and academics etc having a role in revising and refining (NOT overturning or blocking!) gov't legislation does make me feel happier.
So suppose my point is, reform the Lords, sure, but not abolition. We don't need more directly elected politicians. We do need a sensible, functional revising upper chamber in a more modern context.
As for Kinnock, the less said the better.
Actually, it doesn't work well at all. It is a disgrace.
Deletep.s. bags of warm wove from China!
ReplyDeleteBack in China, Dean, without coming first to pay homage to Munguin? I can hardly believe it!!! He'd put his second best champagne on ice too!
ReplyDeleteActually, I tend to agree that the House of Lords often works perfectly well. However, it is abused.
I can see the problems with a second elected house demanding equal status with the existing bunch. If they were elected why wouldn't the prime minister and much of the cabinet come from there?
Even as it is sometimes senior ministers are in the Lords, but that's an exception. It might become a rule under an elected house.
But the abuse, by prime minister and party funding machines is a disgrace, and the size of the place (the second biggest chamber in the world for a relatively small country is plain ridiculous).
Cameron made the final blow ennobling his mates. And some of the rest of his appointments have been a travesty. Let's talk about Michelle Mone!
I take your point about the experts. Unfortunately they tend not to be appointed to the Lords for their brilliance alone, but for their donations or loyalty to one of the parties.
They could easily render their advice in committees put together on temporary or semi permanent bases, could they not?
26 bishops from one church only is an affront to religious freedom.
And two completely hereditary peers there because they are involved in royal ceremonial, is some sort of joke. I mean you can't organise a coronation or funeral without a seat in the House of Lords? Why?
Finally, to a republican, the ennoblement of people, the grand costumes and titles, the ennoblement of their wives and semi-ennoblement of their children (even adult ones), is anathema. And when they retire, even if it is in disgrace, as quite a few have (and quite a few haven't but should have), they retain the title and all the privilege it brings. Tut tut.
Maybe Munguin's only jealous because they haven't ennobled him. Earl Munguin of Munguin Towers has a certain ring. Marquis Munguin maybe?
Well, send us all a post card from China.
'26 bishops from one church only is an affront to religious freedom.'
DeleteAgreed. But for clarity, we do now appoint Lords to represent other religous groups too (for example Lord Saachs as 'rabbi-in-chief of UK Jews).
Yes, that's true. But we don;t have someone to represent Roman Catholics, or Church of Scotland or Methodists, specifically. of course there are members of these churches I dare say, but it isn't their job to represent them.
DeleteI think i simply disagree with state religions.
What a fine Labour gentleman. Not exactly as top drawer as revolutionary Lord Flippinghome, but a moneyed gent all the same.
ReplyDeleteWell, he managed to get himself some tidy numbers after being a total failure of 9 Years... and of course Mrs Kinnock, or should I say, the Noble Baroness, also managed to get a tidy sum for herself, and now in their dotage they can cream in 600 quid a day for wearing ermine.
DeleteThe creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
ReplyDeleteS.A.
He knew a few things did our Mr Orwell. And without a title too!
DeleteAnother champagne socialist red Tory.
ReplyDeleteIndeed a houseful of them. His dear "lady" wife and their son, The Hon.
Deletetris
ReplyDeleteDeano seems to absorbing the Chinese version of democracy ?????
Any ways Neil kinnock was someone I admired for a long time but unfortunately
He like other Labour nabobs began from the left and slowly and surely as the years
Went by and their wealth and influence increased the drift towards Toryism became
More pronounced. Once they get a taste of money and power they want to keep and increase
Their own private wealth and the Torys are good at uneven distribution of unearned income.
So at the end they become almost indistinguishable from the conservatives
Kinnocks ideas on democracy are also well a bit Chinese top down democracy
And no way from the bottom up and just cost you have a vote of your membership
and win certainly does not mean Labour MPs have to pay any heed at all.
Indeed the membership should do as their MPs tell them asap.a kind of elected
Monarchy whom you are unable to. Vote out....
Deano would be pleased.
One day we will say the same about the snp nabobs on that I have no doubt
I can;t say I remember much about him, but I've little time for anyone who goes to the House of Lords and accepts a title.
DeleteI have even less for a Labour member who goes to the lords, and EVEN less for a complete dick wit that burbles on about how the place should be abolished before getting his fat backside on the red bench himself.
I have no doubt that sometime we'll get the same thing from the SNP. Fortunately it won't be from the House of Lords as the SNP don't nominate people for the aristocracy... or indeed for anything other baubles of the British Empire, leaving that to Civil Servants.
Deano was saying he was thinking of inviting you out for a wee holiday to la belle Chine...
Indeed I ewas Tris! I always thought 'Socialism with unique Chinese characteristics' would suit oor Niko well :P
Delete:)
DeleteThere ya go Niko. I wasn't joshing with ya.
Tris
ReplyDeleteKinnock is a scumbag.
Bruce
LOL...
DeleteSomeone was just saying that he hasn't had this much publicity since he fell over in the sea.
Although his "We're alright" did get him quite a bit, especially when it turned out that indeed they weren't and he'd lost yet again. To John bloody Major for heaven's sake.
Awfy big post to do justice in a few words, apart from well done.
ReplyDeleteA propos Mundell, he really is a Janus, a huge one.
Murdo is simpler and easier. He blocked me for posting this to his timeline. So when ever I see a thread with him on it, I post this knowing he will not see it but everybody else will. Then if anybody else wants o cut and paste, no copyright.
"If ever I needed a reason why the Tories in Scotland are as popular as the Pox, it is you Murdo. Congratulations"
LOL. I saw that he'd blocked you. Bless him, he's a huffy wee sausage. Pointless blocking... but he doesn't know that.
ReplyDeleteMerci!