I caught some of it and some good most underwhelming. What really started to annoy me was how bad the opposition are. We Lamont just going on and on about the referendum and how it's all the SNPs fault, wee Ruth the same and Willie Rennie just didn't seem to have a point at all. All reading from pre prepared speeches with no skill to react to actually what was said from AS. The debate also was pretty poor, what I saw of it anyway. Still Ruth Davidson should be happy, Willie Rennie makes her sound like some sort of modern day Ghandi he is so poor but Lamont really has no idea and can't get the fact labour lost the last election in Scotland and there will be a referendum, it happend, live with it and get on with things.
I'm just looking forward to March, when the SNP finally get their legislative arse in gear and give us gays the right to marry.
Heavens knows what is holding the SNP up... maybe its their internal divisions over gay rights? Probable. Only Labour has traditionally delivered LGBT rights.
Actually, in fairness, in England, it was the Tories and the Liberals. I have to say, I never thought for a second that that would get through the House of Lords.
I imagined that Scotland would lead the way.
Anyone any ideas how England managed it? Does their law cover Wales?
And what of Northern Ireland? Can't imagine for a minute the FM of NI going big guns on this considering the views expressed by his wife, the aptly named Mrs Robinson!
They managed it because no political party can 'win' an election anymore by opposing the socially liberal attitude settlement of the British voters.
The tories did it for political reasons ('hey, we aren't a bunch of section 28ers anymore!') The liberals in fairness are solid on LGBT issues, and Labour 'cos LGBT equality is in our dna politically.
It would have been impossible to prevent it, the political damage would have been significant.
I believe the hold up, I read somewhere, is protecting religous bodies from being forced to marry same sex couples and also bringing civil partnership rights to hetrosexual couples. I could be wrong and please correct me if I am but I am sure I read that somewhere recently.
Yes. I think that it is getting that part of the legislation legally watertight. There is no reason why it cannot go ahead. There are members in all parties, SNP included who are against this, but the all the parties themselves are for it, so there would be a majority vote for it.
I think any legislation worth going forward, deserves to go forward properly.
I don't think that England has partnerships for heterosexuals. I imagine though that they have sorted things out with their churches.
The CofS is a little harder to pacify in matters such as this. I'm not exactly sure what kind of legs the Catholic Church in Scotland has to stand on. Pretty shoogly ones I'd have thought given their recent history with the ex-Cardinal Archbishop.
The hold up is because of the strong anti-gay faction within the SNP. And yes, they do exist, a fiercely conservative minority faction currently fighting tooth and nail inside the SNP to block this from happening.
There are strong feelings on all political sides, mainly because of religion. For every Mr Mason there is an Elaine Smith.
Not many will vote against it.
There has been a strong fight against it from Gordon Wilson, who appears to think that it will invalidate his own marriage. As I've said before, I think he has devalued his marriage by saying that. Clearly if what other people are doing is going to affect the sanctity of his marriage, his marriage wasn't up to that much.
Wilson, however, is not an MSP and has been largely ignored by all except the press because he was stupid enough to say that he thought it would turn the electorate against independence...(So that they can stay with England which has already legalised equal marriage....so you can see why he wasn't a very successful leader!)
Dean. Labour might do better if it tried talking about policies instead of whinging... Alex Salmond is not everyone's taste, but, in parliament, play the ball, not the man.
And Jackie Baillie... argh. Could someone ask her to please try to say something that just vaguely resembles the truth...please....
Best I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
Best I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
Best I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
I imagine that as they know you are an avowed unionist, red white and blue to the core, they'd probably not be expecting you to be out on a day when the town is full of rabid nats.
I think Taz got an invite though... He probably just never told you, incase you turn up and embarrass him.
I wonder if our Spookie's going...or if he got a match...
Tris
ReplyDeleteI caught some of it and some good most underwhelming. What really started to annoy me was how bad the opposition are. We Lamont just going on and on about the referendum and how it's all the SNPs fault, wee Ruth the same and Willie Rennie just didn't seem to have a point at all. All reading from pre prepared speeches with no skill to react to actually what was said from AS. The debate also was pretty poor, what I saw of it anyway. Still Ruth Davidson should be happy, Willie Rennie makes her sound like some sort of modern day Ghandi he is so poor but Lamont really has no idea and can't get the fact labour lost the last election in Scotland and there will be a referendum, it happend, live with it and get on with things.
Bruce
I think the best we can do at the moment is a steady hand on the tiller.
DeleteThere's so little we can do about the real problems until we have the money.
But I agree.
Ruth and Johann are pretty pathetic. No proper discussion. No proper analysis of what the policies will do for scotland. All just hatred for Alex.
Says a lot.
OT a little but you can't miss this brilliant article from James Kelly.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/503372/20130903/scottish-independence-campaign-syria-cameron-blog.htm
I'm just looking forward to March, when the SNP finally get their legislative arse in gear and give us gays the right to marry.
ReplyDeleteHeavens knows what is holding the SNP up... maybe its their internal divisions over gay rights? Probable. Only Labour has traditionally delivered LGBT rights.
Actually, in fairness, in England, it was the Tories and the Liberals. I have to say, I never thought for a second that that would get through the House of Lords.
DeleteI imagined that Scotland would lead the way.
Anyone any ideas how England managed it? Does their law cover Wales?
And what of Northern Ireland? Can't imagine for a minute the FM of NI going big guns on this considering the views expressed by his wife, the aptly named Mrs Robinson!
They managed it because no political party can 'win' an election anymore by opposing the socially liberal attitude settlement of the British voters.
DeleteThe tories did it for political reasons ('hey, we aren't a bunch of section 28ers anymore!')
The liberals in fairness are solid on LGBT issues, and Labour 'cos LGBT equality is in our dna politically.
It would have been impossible to prevent it, the political damage would have been significant.
Dean
ReplyDeleteI believe the hold up, I read somewhere, is protecting religous bodies from being forced to marry same sex couples and also bringing civil partnership rights to hetrosexual couples. I could be wrong and please correct me if I am but I am sure I read that somewhere recently.
Bruce
Yes. I think that it is getting that part of the legislation legally watertight. There is no reason why it cannot go ahead. There are members in all parties, SNP included who are against this, but the all the parties themselves are for it, so there would be a majority vote for it.
DeleteI think any legislation worth going forward, deserves to go forward properly.
I don't think that England has partnerships for heterosexuals. I imagine though that they have sorted things out with their churches.
The CofS is a little harder to pacify in matters such as this. I'm not exactly sure what kind of legs the Catholic Church in Scotland has to stand on. Pretty shoogly ones I'd have thought given their recent history with the ex-Cardinal Archbishop.
The hold up is because of the strong anti-gay faction within the SNP. And yes, they do exist, a fiercely conservative minority faction currently fighting tooth and nail inside the SNP to block this from happening.
DeleteThat all said, Salmond made impressive points on:
ReplyDelete# renewable energy
# GDP and oil contribution
# youth employment
Objectively, it is a strong government record, and a tough one for Labour to combat.
Tris
ReplyDeleteYou goin tae the march?
I am and am meeting Conan in the Albanach, High Street, at 12 noon.
Urchin,
ReplyDeleteTell that Conan to get his arse into gear and start blogging again. I'm fed up of these boring blogs I'm forced to read! BTW, wish I could join you!
Dean : reply function isn't' working!
ReplyDeleteThere are strong feelings on all political sides, mainly because of religion. For every Mr Mason there is an Elaine Smith.
Not many will vote against it.
There has been a strong fight against it from Gordon Wilson, who appears to think that it will invalidate his own marriage. As I've said before, I think he has devalued his marriage by saying that. Clearly if what other people are doing is going to affect the sanctity of his marriage, his marriage wasn't up to that much.
Wilson, however, is not an MSP and has been largely ignored by all except the press because he was stupid enough to say that he thought it would turn the electorate against independence...(So that they can stay with England which has already legalised equal marriage....so you can see why he wasn't a very successful leader!)
Snotty... Yes, I hope so.
ReplyDeleteI'll be in touch when I've got it settled.
Ha ha... you and Conan in the pub then... Good one.
Just as long as John Brownlie's not gonna be there... (but don't tell him I said so!)
Oh... hello there John. Will you not be able to get to the capital for the march?
ReplyDeleteThat is a pity right enough.
Never mind. I was thinking of coming to the Hebrides next year for my holidays...
Don't go to too much bother on my behalf though...
Dean. Labour might do better if it tried talking about policies instead of whinging... Alex Salmond is not everyone's taste, but, in parliament, play the ball, not the man.
ReplyDeleteAnd Jackie Baillie... argh. Could someone ask her to please try to say something that just vaguely resembles the truth...please....
No really....... P L E A S E
Keep on praying and pleading Trisie, big Jackie doesn't let mere facts get in her way!
DeleteEvery time she speaks, I feel like this:
http://www.leftfootforward.org/images/2010/09/Alcohol-addiction.jpg
LOL Dean... she is a headache, isn't she?
DeleteI doubt she lets anything much get in her way!
Best I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
ReplyDeleteBest I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
ReplyDeleteBest I give a head's up to anyone planning to go to the March and Rally on 21st September here Tris. I'm going along with my partner/carer, my wheelchair, my partner's oldest daughter and her three year old. So anyone wanting to avoid total embarrassment best avoid the Arbroath 1320 section of the march. lol
ReplyDeleteHey it would be great to see you ... all.
DeleteIt's probably almost impossible to arrange though because the place will be bursting at the seams.
We should have thought in advance and got Munguin's Republic T shirts made LOL
So all the Nats say Alex was ' brill and all the rest was shite '
ReplyDeletethey would wouldn't they ?
see what you want to see!!!!
http://www.sozialpsychologie.uni-frankfurt.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Balcetis-Dunning-2006.pdf
Tossers never invited me and Taz for a beer
What on earth are you on about Niko?
DeleteI imagine that as they know you are an avowed unionist, red white and blue to the core, they'd probably not be expecting you to be out on a day when the town is full of rabid nats.
I think Taz got an invite though... He probably just never told you, incase you turn up and embarrass him.
I wonder if our Spookie's going...or if he got a match...
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