From what I've been reading, she was a lovely woman and a credit to her party.
This is quite simply dreadful.
It seems that the police have ruled out terrorism and are calling it a tragedy perpetrated by a man with mental health problems.
Questions, I am sure, will be asked about how someone with MHP managed to get hold of a rifle and ammunition.
Although Britain First claim he has no connection with them, I fear that they may have inspired him and planted hatred in his head.
Maybe it's time for ALL politicians, broadcasters, bloggers, newspapers and communicators to remember that when they stir up hatred against a particular group of people, be they the sick, the old, the unemployed, foreigners, Jews, Muslims, gays, or people of a different political persuasion, they should be aware that not everyone listening to their rants will be able to deal with the hatred they engender in a logical and rational way.
So, when it's a Labour MP who's working against the tories, they call if a "tragedy by a man with mental health problems" who somehow managed to get hold of a rifle and ammunition in this state where barely anyone other than the police and military have legal access to firearms. Anyone else remember the terms "false flag operation" and "agent provocateur", or the CIA being proven to have encouraged and armed "domestic terrorists" in the USA? (They essentially manufactured a complete terrorist group, then swept in and arrested them just before they committed the operation that the CIA had prepped them for, so they could claim that they were effective against terrorist groups)
What's the betting that if it had been Blair who'd been shot we'd be up to our ears in "terrorists just murdered a great man, let's go to war against some poorly defined enemy in the name of stopping a concept!" in all the propaganda sheets.
Sometimes I think the world would be better off if Westminster Palace just slid quietly into the Thames. Or, y'know, if the law was actually applied to the tories. "Incitement to murder" would probably get a lot of them thrown behind bars, and improve the mental health of the UK immensely.
If it had been Blair it would have gone unnoticed on Munguin's Republic. We might however have noticed an lightening of the load on the public purse in the form of 24/7/52 protection for the old war monger!
As for Westminster sinking into the Thames, I'm not sure that what is left of the fish population in the river quite deserve all that poison and crap.
But with a few exceptions, I'd not miss it or its population.
Still at the cost of some preposterous number of billions of OUR money the bastards are having it refurbished to the highest standards of comfort and amenity, while the rest of us continue to suffer austerity. So that's not likely to happen. May it bring them no joy.
Didn't know of her prior to this but appears that she was dedicated to social justice and equality and had previously worked for Oxfam and had spoken in defence of refugees.
Sounds very much like we lost a good one and obviously the family will be devastated. Sad, sad, sad.
Heart breaking news. Thoughts with the husband and two kids left behind.
Maybe the dehumanising, cynical attitude and treatment to politicians needs to end? The 'they're all corrupt' or 'in it for themselves' isn't healthy in a democracy. And when united with Britain First fascism, it's easy to see where this lunatic reservoir of hatred may have come from.
Poor woman, all she probably wanted that day was to get home and see her kids after doing her hours in the constituency office. Just tragic.
Yes, Dean, it's something we should all consider seriously when we write, as I said above, from broadcasters and newspapers through bloggers and tweeters...and of course the original of that, the man in the pub holding forth.
People with any kind of platform have a responsibility to consider the effect of their words. (Amazingly in the USA there are Christian [or so called] preachers who are praising the slaughter in the nightclub in Orlando, without thinking that their approval may lead to more of this mindless killing.)
The trouble is getting the level of criticism right. We mustn't stop criticising. There are many people in parliaments who are corrupt in one way or another, financially, sexually, and more, and who feel that they can get away with it, indeed have the right to get away with it. We mustn't stop criticism of that.
And no matter what we do, there are people who will be touched by the rantings of the far right or the far left, extremist Christian, Muslim, Jewish, et al. Politics and religion like that is generally filled with hatred. Not everyone can dismiss their rantings as lies.
Maybe, too, the government should look carefully at the mental health system in England, which by every account I've heard, has broken down completely.
Hopefully for a while, at least, people will think twice before they write, or say things that could stir up hatred, but I doubt it will last.
How infinitely sad and ironic that someone who worked for charities in some of the most dangerous countries on earth should fall victim on her own door-step, so to speak, and somewhere where she would have felt was completely safe. Today, with sadness, I am counting my blessings.
I had not heard of her, before yesterday. By what I have heard and seen, on the radio and television; along with what I have read. It seems the world has lost a genuine humanitarian, an absolute tragedy; I hope her children can come to terms with what has happened, and grow up to be the kind of person their mother was.
I've removed your post as requested Jutie, and all the responses which are no longer necessary.
I based my comment that the kids had a great dad on the way that despite what I reckon must be a terrible time for him, he paid a great tribute to his wife and dedicated himself to their kids.
Maybe he's not perfect, but he seemed a decent bloke to me.
I think that the discussion that followed, while possibly totally valid is probably best deleted, if for no other reason out of respect for Ms Cox's memory.
But absolutely no hard feelings to anyone who contributed to it.
I took the original post down at Juteman's request and the rest becasue they made no sense on their own.
I did not know Joe Cox's background, nor her huge contribution to human rights. but frankly, that is my failure. Losing someone that shares a common good, a common humanity. saddens me deeply.
I thought about whether to contribute or not for a considerable while. On balance, saying that a person had good roots and was a worthy human being seems to me to so obvious, so transparent that it has to be said.
RIP Jo. Just awful, awful news. Utterly stunned. Far too young a talent to be snuffed out in such a horrible way.
ReplyDeleteHear hear.
DeleteFrom what I've been reading, she was a lovely woman and a credit to her party.
This is quite simply dreadful.
It seems that the police have ruled out terrorism and are calling it a tragedy perpetrated by a man with mental health problems.
Questions, I am sure, will be asked about how someone with MHP managed to get hold of a rifle and ammunition.
Although Britain First claim he has no connection with them, I fear that they may have inspired him and planted hatred in his head.
Maybe it's time for ALL politicians, broadcasters, bloggers, newspapers and communicators to remember that when they stir up hatred against a particular group of people, be they the sick, the old, the unemployed, foreigners, Jews, Muslims, gays, or people of a different political persuasion, they should be aware that not everyone listening to their rants will be able to deal with the hatred they engender in a logical and rational way.
So, when it's a Labour MP who's working against the tories, they call if a "tragedy by a man with mental health problems" who somehow managed to get hold of a rifle and ammunition in this state where barely anyone other than the police and military have legal access to firearms. Anyone else remember the terms "false flag operation" and "agent provocateur", or the CIA being proven to have encouraged and armed "domestic terrorists" in the USA? (They essentially manufactured a complete terrorist group, then swept in and arrested them just before they committed the operation that the CIA had prepped them for, so they could claim that they were effective against terrorist groups)
DeleteWhat's the betting that if it had been Blair who'd been shot we'd be up to our ears in "terrorists just murdered a great man, let's go to war against some poorly defined enemy in the name of stopping a concept!" in all the propaganda sheets.
Sometimes I think the world would be better off if Westminster Palace just slid quietly into the Thames. Or, y'know, if the law was actually applied to the tories. "Incitement to murder" would probably get a lot of them thrown behind bars, and improve the mental health of the UK immensely.
Hmmmm... I dunno.
DeleteHow can any of us know?
If it had been Blair it would have gone unnoticed on Munguin's Republic. We might however have noticed an lightening of the load on the public purse in the form of 24/7/52 protection for the old war monger!
As for Westminster sinking into the Thames, I'm not sure that what is left of the fish population in the river quite deserve all that poison and crap.
But with a few exceptions, I'd not miss it or its population.
Still at the cost of some preposterous number of billions of OUR money the bastards are having it refurbished to the highest standards of comfort and amenity, while the rest of us continue to suffer austerity. So that's not likely to happen. May it bring them no joy.
Didn't know of her prior to this but appears that she was dedicated to social justice and equality and had previously worked for Oxfam and had spoken in defence of refugees.
ReplyDeleteSounds very much like we lost a good one and obviously the family will be devastated. Sad, sad, sad.
Indeed she was a good one, PP.
DeleteHer maiden speech in parliament was stunning.
Heart breaking news. Thoughts with the husband and two kids left behind.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the dehumanising, cynical attitude and treatment to politicians needs to end? The 'they're all corrupt' or 'in it for themselves' isn't healthy in a democracy. And when united with Britain First fascism, it's easy to see where this lunatic reservoir of hatred may have come from.
Poor woman, all she probably wanted that day was to get home and see her kids after doing her hours in the constituency office. Just tragic.
Yes, Dean, it's something we should all consider seriously when we write, as I said above, from broadcasters and newspapers through bloggers and tweeters...and of course the original of that, the man in the pub holding forth.
DeletePeople with any kind of platform have a responsibility to consider the effect of their words. (Amazingly in the USA there are Christian [or so called] preachers who are praising the slaughter in the nightclub in Orlando, without thinking that their approval may lead to more of this mindless killing.)
The trouble is getting the level of criticism right. We mustn't stop criticising. There are many people in parliaments who are corrupt in one way or another, financially, sexually, and more, and who feel that they can get away with it, indeed have the right to get away with it. We mustn't stop criticism of that.
And no matter what we do, there are people who will be touched by the rantings of the far right or the far left, extremist Christian, Muslim, Jewish, et al. Politics and religion like that is generally filled with hatred. Not everyone can dismiss their rantings as lies.
Maybe, too, the government should look carefully at the mental health system in England, which by every account I've heard, has broken down completely.
Hopefully for a while, at least, people will think twice before they write, or say things that could stir up hatred, but I doubt it will last.
How infinitely sad and ironic that someone who worked for charities in some of the most dangerous countries on earth should fall victim on her own door-step, so to speak, and somewhere where she would have felt was completely safe. Today, with sadness, I am counting my blessings.
ReplyDeleteShe did so much good in her life, as an aid worker and was shaping up to continue that in parliament.
DeletePerhaps we should all be counting our blessings today.
I had not heard of her, before yesterday. By what I have heard and seen, on the radio and television; along with what I have read. It seems the world has lost a genuine humanitarian, an absolute tragedy; I hope her children can come to terms with what has happened, and grow up to be the kind of person their mother was.
ReplyDeleteHear hear. They sound like they have a pretty amazing dad too, so hopefully they will be helped through the terrible months ahead.
ReplyDeleteI've removed your post as requested Jutie, and all the responses which are no longer necessary.
DeleteI based my comment that the kids had a great dad on the way that despite what I reckon must be a terrible time for him, he paid a great tribute to his wife and dedicated himself to their kids.
Maybe he's not perfect, but he seemed a decent bloke to me.
I think that the discussion that followed, while possibly totally valid is probably best deleted, if for no other reason out of respect for Ms Cox's memory.
But absolutely no hard feelings to anyone who contributed to it.
I took the original post down at Juteman's request and the rest becasue they made no sense on their own.
I would just like to add my loss here.
ReplyDeleteI did not know Joe Cox's background, nor her huge contribution to human rights. but frankly, that is my failure. Losing someone that shares a common good, a common humanity. saddens me deeply.
I thought about whether to contribute or not for a considerable while. On balance, saying that a person had good roots and was a worthy human being seems to me to so obvious, so transparent that it has to be said.
I didn't know of her either Douglas.
DeleteShe seems to have been a charity worker, then an MP and advocate for the poor. She attacked Cameron's cuts for the poor and sick.
In that respect, at least (and it's all I know about her) she was in my view, a goodun!