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Wednesday, 8 April 2015
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| We're not doing anything rude. We are just Better Together. |
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| Ouch. Willie Rennie did even worse than the racist. |
WTF! And Offfft!
ReplyDeleteyup!
DeleteObviously, it's the sheer animal magnetism of Murphy...
ReplyDelete... or something.
DeleteSome concerned LibDems must have seen this Tris, wee Willie is above Coburn now.
ReplyDeleteHe's nearly got a whole percent to himself.
Awww bless, there's enough Liberals and soft hearted people in the country to give him nearly a whole point... That's Scotland for you.
DeleteYay! My idiotic RSS feed reader is now back and functioning. Just want to say I watched the 7 way debate and the STV one. Nicola was superb in the 7 way. All the ladies were (Even got Natalie Bennett as my twitter follower...imagine that). As for the STV one...mustache. I think STV was out to get Nicola.
ReplyDeleteI really hope SNP will get 55 seats. The irony would be delicious.
Hello Mr Name Dropper.
DeleteI believe that Nicola had a photograph taken with the moustache man afterwards. Way to win people over!
Might I add, I think the picture sums up everything Labour-Tory relationship. One Grand Coalition coming up!
DeleteI don't think we should place too much faith in online polls (lots of indy supporters) in the same way as I don't place too much faith in MSM's bigging up of Murphy.
ReplyDeleteI only saw the BBC version but it was a pro-union crowd (well it was a very pro-union area!) and Sturgeon didn't many friends in the audience. I don't think she did that well but performed okay in circumstances. I disagree with everything Ruth D stands for but respect that she stands up for what she believes in even when it's unpopular. She stood her ground. Patrick H did well APART from the brain freeze on cook's question on capitalism being a red-line. The obvious answer was there are many types of capitalist but neo-liberalism and neo-con aren't working.
As for Murphy, I find it hard to evaluate because frankly I can't bear the sight and sound of him. I'm not impressed by him shouting like a ned, his faux empathy and his Damascus-like conversion to Labour's left, but the low info voter might be.
I know old Labour types who are praying for Murphy to lose and if he keeps wandering round the country and ignoring his constituency, it might happen. I've already had Tories chapping the door and the SNP is planning a mass canvass of Newton Mearns which for those who don't know is one of the least likely places to vote SNP there is. God knows what they are doing in the Labour areas of the constituency.
Well that was hellish long, maybe I should have written an article :-)
I agree completely with all that you say there PP.
DeleteI never put much faith in any kind of opinion poll, despite the kind and detailed explanations of how they work from James. I know they are to an extent, scientific, but I still don't trust them
As for on line news paper polls (like this one)... they are totally unscientific. But it's interesting to look at how readers of the P&J reacted to the debate.
I didn't watch any of the debates, not having the wherewithall (a tv licence)...although I suppose I could have watched online. But I certainly take on board that Nicola was not THAT much better than everyone else.
Like you I don't like what RD stands for, but I think she's a decent woman for all that. She learned a lot from Annabel Goldie, I think. I still haven't a clue what Willie Rennie is doing as leader of the Liberals. I like Patrick, but have problems with some of his more extreme Green policies. As for the racist, all I can say is he blew it for me the day he made a foul racist joke about Humza. I didn't care for him or his party before, but I'm ashamed to have such a man representing Scotland, even if Maggie Curran thinks he's wonderful.
I've never heard anyone outside the Labour or anti Scotland press say a good word about Murphy, except Tony Blair, so that kinda sums him up for me. I would run away and hide in shame if TB thought I was a good chap. As a personality Murphy makes my flesh creep, but that has nothing to do with his politics. It's his "soft voice" and patronising style.
I hear that he lost the cool a few times. Good. Just what we need in a leader. Just like Cameron.
I hope Labour gets enough seats to form the government. Miliband will be a rotten PM, but look at the idiot we have at the moment, and the ones we could have later in the parliament... Boris, Tessy, Michael Bloody Gove? I mean!
But I hope that the right wing Murphy is humiliated in Scotland, after his "won't lose a single seat" nonsense, and all that garbage about HIM being in charge... until, Balls or Miliband slaps him down. I see the dangers in the SNP being involved in their politics, but I can also see advantages.
You should write another article... Munguin says it would give Tris time to do the spring cleaning of Munguin Towers if you did.
Don't quite want to believe the polls either..even if the SNP doubles its seats if good enough for me. However the possibility of throwing out Margaret Curran should be a drive to work goddamn hard for all SNP canvassers (and everywhere else). The polls tells that all seats are up for grab. Sending 30 MPs is a huge huge achievement. More than is a bonus.
DeleteDream big, fight like hell. 59 is now possible.
Tris
ReplyDeleteI never watched it as I was watching the Dees beat Utd, but I did follow it on Twitter, and even though I recorded it I am not going to bother watching it due to what I read. It did feel a bit like the audience, either deliberately or not , was a bit of a union fest and if I remember correctly every BBC debate during the referendum felt the same way. From Twitter it sounded like Murphy shouted a lot, they all spoke over Nicola Sturgeon with little challenge from James Cook, and that it was pretty much a waste of time. I think most of these debates are to be honest, you watch them in the hope that someone will have a very public melt down. Most people will have made up their minds as to who they are going to vote for by now anyway.
One of the main things about following it on Twitter though is you see how much unionists keep going on about the referendum, how there can't be another one for a generation, how they won and YES lost. They really want YES voters to accept the result and move on blah blah bah. I accepted the result as soon as it came in and moved on from it a couple of days later. Unionists really are living in fear of the next referendum, and rightfully so. What they also can't get is that the voters will decide when the next one takes place by voting for any party in substancial numbers that advocates holding one. It's called democracy and they just don't get it, and they certainly don't like it. I also just can't get how much they also come across as really hating Scotland and Scottish people, what has been done to them to bring about those feelings I just don't know.
My Twitter view, very unscientific, was that social media users felt Sturgeon came across really well in the face of what was basic hostility and bullying but that the media hacks were giving it to Murphy. Davidson shouted a lot like Murphy and Rennie was just not at the races. Coburn was his usual ignorant and insulting self and that Harvie should be in Government. A lot of people thought James Cook was really good but many felt that he allowed all attacks on Sturgeon, now I don't get the love fest for James Cook at all. He is not the worst at BBC Scotland but that still does not make him very good. I still find him to be very poor overall.
There were also a lot of comments about the audience being hand picked due to the hostility towards Nicola Sturgeon, which again went unchallenged. Overall just sounds like another typical BBC Scotland debate, the SNP can't win either way even if you had a panel of all SNP candidates having a debate amongst themselves Jim Murphy would still have won.
A waste of time in most ways I suspect.
Bruce
I certainly think that two debates, one after the other, was a waste of time. The addition of Patrick and Maggie Curran's mate made little difference.
DeleteI'm not sure how many people are swayed by them. Mr Tout le Monde probably doesn't want to watch 2 hours of people shouting at each other ONE time a week, never mind TWO.
I suspect the most of the people who watched it are political animals and most of them have their minds made up already. But when someone is particular shouty or rude or inept, it is possible that people may be put off them.
I saw a few comments on Twitter that suggested that Nicola won a few new members because of the feeling that she was being ganged up on.
People don't like bullies.
Good to see you are a fellow Dee, Bruce. ☺
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DeleteThere is no one else and I did tweet dundeefconline first thing this morning to thank them for the wonderful morning.
Bruce
I'm not a tweeter, as i'm too fond of a small libation, and don't want the worry of trying to remember what i tweetef the night before!
DeleteIs Ruth sorting his tie or replacing his batteries?
ReplyDeleteI will go with changing his batteries, though as she used to work for BBC she is probably moving his mike so he can shout louder without hurting the ears of the sound engineer.
DeleteHave to add he is not her type and I can understand why, he isn't mine either.
DeleteHa ha ha... I like the "shout louder bit" .
DeleteI'd be surprised if he was anyone's type!
It seems the referendum has really rattled the unionists cage bringing out the best of their sinister traits, smell the fear.
ReplyDeleteScottish Women can disarm the UK government
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