Sunday, 31 July 2016

MEANWHILE IN SCOTLAND...

WE HAD A WEE RALLY TOO

STV tweeted that "hundreds" were expected, but after a sound ridiculing on Twitter, changed it to "thousands"... That was wise of them.


Astoundingly, the cameras in George Square, operated by Glasgow City Council, stopped working just before the march was due to arrive there. Fortunately the council generously provided alternative viewing. Always good for us chippy Scots to see a Lord and master.
At  least there was one camera working for a previous rally in the square.

26 comments:

  1. Tris

    I saw that Glasgow City Council shut down their web cam of George Square. How desperate is that! Oh well it is Labour. It was good to see so many there on the various social media sites and to see so many news orgs having to change to their numbers after complaints. Pity the polls don't reflect the hope that many of us still have, I appreciate the polls are not that important but they are abused so much by the Yoons it would be nice to remove one of their tools. But we will just have to keep at it for as long as it takes.

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    1. Well, I don't suppose they wanted to broadcast the success of the march. I imagine the Corbynistas have the same problem when they get thousands at their meetings and old Smithy gets 85!

      As long as it takes, Bruce.

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  2. As yes Glasgow City Council - who's influence I lived under for most of my life. A law unto themselves and scandal upon scandal. Don't worry if you haven't heard of them - the MSM keeps them out the news.

    I'd like to think there will be a change of management next year but I thought that in the last council elections and Labour held on. If they do lose the council my how the shredders will be working overtime...

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    1. I think we only ever heard of the worst of them PP.

      Bullying, property etc... but I imagine there were far more.

      They have served Glasgow so badly over the years. I hope they go next year. SNP councils may not be perfect, but they are a lot better than that lot.

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    2. totally agree, Tris. I live under a coalition council ironically SNP/Labour! But for all their faults, miles better run than Glesga.

      Anyway I'm hearing twitter vibes that there will be another march. This time in Dundee! Maybe you should clear your diary in case Munguin deigns to attend.

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    3. Munguin will be there as long as it doesn't clash with his foreign visits to Hungary and Austria. (I think he's negotiating on behalf of Nicola, but of course I'm not privy to the details.)

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  3. Did the council actually display, that picture of, Flipper?

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    1. NO Jim, Munguin made it up. He's bad that way!

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  4. Sorry to burst your anecdotal bubble but here are the facts about what Scots actually think of separation:

    Scottish voters / On a choice between a Scotland...
    In the EU and not part of the UK: 37%
    Part of the UK and not in the EU: 46%
    (via YouGov)

    Further:

    46 per cent think another referendum would have a negative impact on the economy while just 22 per cent think it would have a positive impact.

    Asked to rank their priorities for the Scottish Government, the NHS (48 per cent) and the economy (40 per cent) came top while just 14 per cent holding another referendum on Scottish independence.

    http://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/scots_reject_snap_referendum

    So from both those polls we can say that:

    1. Scots voters biggest priorities do not include a second indyref
    2. Most Scots think indyref2 will harm our economic prospects
    3. Majority of Scots would still reject separation.


    So, have your indyref 'we are the 45' marches and rallies. Please, go on. Meanwhile the majority of Scots will pass you by as we try to focus on the real issues of the day.

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    1. Sorry to burst your bubble but the YouGov poll has been soundly discredited due to it's methodology. The research was done all over and also outside the UK. No 16-17 year olds were included,neither were EU citizens living in Scotland.

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    2. 16-17 y/o being included would not have altered the headline figures in any meaningful way.

      16-17y/o have among the lowest turnout (see the two instances they have voted), and so even including them in the data; likelihood to vote methodology would strip a good portion of them out.

      Plus, can I also burst your bubble by highlighting that 'the youth' are not all pro-YES. 18 y/o voted decisively for BetterTogether in the indyref.

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    3. Plus I'd add in relation to not including EU citizens living in Scotland, pollsters base their samples on eligibility to vote in GEs from what I understand.

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    4. Can you clarify please...what you are saying is that because 18 year olds "voted . . . for Better Together..." and 16 and 17 year-olds are "among the lowest turnout", then they were excluded from this latest poll? This assumes that they would not turn out / vote the same way now?

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    5. I take it Dean, you now think Scotland outwith the EU, but still in the UK is your favoured option. Even though we'd get governments which we largely didn't vote for, that's not democracy, that's a travesty.

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    6. From memory I thought that the only group that decidedly voted NO were the over 55s.

      But that's from memory.

      Jim: I guess if you are a Tory, then you want to have the government England usually votes for. You certainly don't want to be ruled by the Scots, who historically would have voted Labour and are at present likely to vote SNP.

      Maraki: Was the poll done all over UK?

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  5. Dean is one of those proud Scotbuts that doesn't actually live in Scotland.

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    1. To be fair, he's usually been against independence, Jutie, even when he was living here..

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  6. Scotgoespop "poll of polls" (inc Yougov) dated 30 July show pro-indie at 51%.

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    1. Indeed it does, which, whilat within margin of error, rather blows a hole in Dean MscKinnon Thomson's rather selective approach to reality.

      Sub-sets of data do not matter as much as the meta data does.

      Here we have it:

      Should Scotland be an independent country?

      Yes 50.8%
      No 49.2%

      Movement, either in my direction or yours Dean is what this is all about. Except, of course, the outcome of referendum 2, where your side has already blown all the ammunition that you had.

      Best wishes, but not in referendum 2.

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    2. Aye, I don't think there's that much doubt about it.

      But we have to get more people on board, which we will only ever do by persuasion and logic.

      How many of the BT promises are yet to be broken?

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  7. Baron Darling of FlippinghomeAugust 01, 2016 9:49 pm

    Vile, frankly.

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  8. I've been away - but I wore my YES shirt on Saturday in solidarity.

    Anyway, the estimating of crowds. Cheap drones. There is a method of estimating crowds. You allow 10 square feet for a loose crowd, 4.5 sq feet close crowd or 2.5 sq feet tight crowd ( like at a Barrowlands gig ). It should be possible using Google Earth, or a mapping program to estimate areas at Freedom Square, or the Concert Hall steps or Calton Hill. We just then need a quick drone aerial shot of the crowd and we can get our own estimates.

    We could do with a "unit" being set up to do this kind of work. We may be doing a lot of demonstrations in the months ahead - and you can be sure the British State will be doing their own estimating/ surveillance.

    S.A.

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  9. Baron Darling of FlippinghomeAugust 02, 2016 9:56 pm

    I was a teenage rebel. I was known as the Trotsky of Arboretum Avenue. When I was 19 I shocked Mummy's bridge chums with my radical beliefs. I was the first person in the Botanic Gardens to say the word "menstruation". Aloud. Beat that, Fidel! But now I have grown up and returned home. Grandpa's was Tory Provost of Edinburgh, after all, and blood will tell. I am magnificent, frankly.

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  10. Baron Darling of FlippinghomeAugust 02, 2016 10:18 pm

    May one add, as a student revolutionary in 1970s Aberdeen, I was noted for the sophistication of my dinner parties. (Thank goodness for Chivas Brothers and Esslemont & Macintosh!). Being a socialist has never meant having to mix with the socially unacceptable. It certainly doesn't in my latest splendid milieu, although one find the presence of such as George Fouljes and Michelle Mone rather disconcerting. Not quite up to standard, frankly.

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