Saturday, 23 April 2011

Great Fun in Dundee City East!

Dundee City East Labour candidate Mohammed Asif seems to be unable to follow his leader Iain Gray’s call to get Labour’s core vote out to protect Scotland (and in this case Dundee East) from the Tories.

This week has seen him send a letter to every postal voter in the constituency asking them to vote for him. Nothing wrong with that you may think until it is revealed that the letters went to Dundee City East’s current SNP MSP, Minister for Public Health and Sport Shona Robison and SNP City Council leader Ken Guild. Clearly if he can persuade Ken and Shona to ditch their lifelong commitment to the SNP and vote for him, he is a shoo in.

In that case he would surely have no need to engage in a poster blanketing war that has seen a rash of posters go up all over the east of the city, including (allegedly) in flats he owns, without the tenants' permission.

Either way we wish Mr Asif well on his journey to "palriament" [sic: ref Dundee Courier political diary 23/04/11] .


Also in Dundee City East ex-SNP councillor Allan Petrie is standing for the Lib Dems. Mr Petrie we understand has had a dalliance with almost every political party, having also campaigned for Labour MP Iain Luke in 2005. He also at one point wrote a number of letters to the Press purporting to represent his own political party I-Vote.

Of course there is nothing wrong with having political opinions that mature as time goes on but if Mr Petrie’s get any more mature he might find his list of political options getting very short indeed (only the Tories left).

Be that as it may Mr P now wants the people of Dundee City East to vote for him with his current Liberal Democrat hat on. That got me to thinking about his marathon political journey, so I had a look at his Lib Dem biog online. Amusingly it reads:

“I became an SNP councillor in 1999 but resigned my membership due to the constant attacks from the leadership on hard working members of the party and SNP shifting away from being a membership-led organisation.”

Of course what Mr Petrie does not say is that he actually left the SNP when he was de-selected as a councillor. The more unkind among us may say that Mr P left because his political options in the SNP were over.


Nevertheless we wish Mr Petrie well in his current billet and sincerely hope that he never has cause to be the subject of attack from the leadership there, if he, unlike the rest of us, can figure out who is actually in charge at Lib Dems Scotland HQ: Tavish or Nick!


Pictured above: Mr Asif is on the extreme left (signing the table) in front of Labour's MP for Dundee West Jim McGovern and next to Labour's Dundee City West hopeful West End Councillor Richard McCready. Also above is Allan Petrie on a sunny Dundee day!

49 comments:

  1. Mr Petrie sounds like a creep.

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  2. Yes well Mr Petrie was all fine and dandy when he was a Nat extremist..then we moves on the word goes out from the snp to their followers another one to stab in the back.

    What is it the Nats always say we represent 'all' the Scottish peoples

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  3. Jim McGovern doesn't inspire much confidence either. He provided the thief Jim Devine with a glowing character reference in the recent expenses court case and explained that he didn't know the ins and outs of the prosecution so it was ok to support him.
    Maryfield / Clepington Road ( posh end ) is full of Labour posters. Mr Asif's supporters are very wealthy.

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  4. Niko,

    By 'creep' I'm referring to how easily his principles can change; given different political parties all hold completely different truths to be self evident.

    He is blatantly an opportunistic politico. As Disraeli said, "hang your principles, stick with your party". I don't trust anyone who doesn't. If you invest in a political party, and actively seek to convince others to vote for it, you better be bloody committed to it!

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  5. You couldn't slip a cigarette paper between the differnece in policies of the LibLabCon so Mr Petrie hasn't changed his principles.

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  6. Allan left the SNP as his local branch deselected for the next election him as they did not have any confidence in him for a variety of reasons. It was justified but I felt sorry for him at the time. I hate to think what he makes of the tie up of the Tories and LD.

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  7. Anyone who thinks that a Tory, a Whig and a Socialist movements are "all the same" like this idiot Ben Dover (oh, how funny) is clearly completely stupid.

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  8. Dean...
    LibLabCon agree on..

    The EU
    Perpetual overseas wars
    Global Warming Scam
    Further immigration
    Monarchy
    Union
    More restrictions on freedom

    Which pretty much covers all aspects of life in the UK for the next 50 years.

    Vote for any LibLabCon and you know exactly what you will get. Minor discrepancies between parties to make us think we have a democracy and to make us think that voting matters. But basically the same policies.

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  9. I understand he was pretty unreliable Marcia.

    I think that, if you stop believeing in the direction that your party is going in, you should leave it and move on Dean.

    I certainly know people in the Labour party who left it as Blair removed it from the political aspirations that they had.

    Parties change, and of course people change, but not all in the same way at the same rate.

    I suspect, however, that with Mr P, whom I've never met and know only by reputation, it was more the case that his party left him.

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  10. Ben Dover,

    How can they possibly be the same or similar? Their political philosophies all differ dramatically as to the interpretation of what constitutes 'society', or how to solve 'inequality' or indeed even on what 'equality' actually is! They all differ on what can be said to be the concept of 'the good life' ... you're being stupid.

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  11. Tris,

    mmm, my point is I don't trust anyone who changes party so regularly, after all it raises the question of just how committed you are to it! If you are committed to a shared vision with a party then as Disraeli said, suffer the tough times, and enjoy the good. "Hang your principles, stick to your party"

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  12. I don’t think I agree that principles should be ditched so easily and that you should slavishly follow a party no matter what. That being said I find it hard that someone could go from being elected an SNP councillor in 1999 right through, Labour, your own party and then the Lib Dems all in 12 years.

    If he wants me to vote for him he needs to explain, firstly why he was de-selected by his SNP branch. It has been said on here that it was because he was unreliable. What does that mean? And how much more reliable is he going to be as a Lib Dem MSP? Has his reliability gone through as much of a sea change as his political complexion?

    Secondly I would like to know if he thinks that exaggerating the truth is an acceptable political tool in this day and age? He makes no mention on his Lib Dem biog of being de-selected because of, alleged, unreliability (let’s face it the SNP are unlikely to de-select a reliable and/or competent councillor are they!). So the quoted lofty reason for departure seems to be at best an accentuation of the positive to make it sound like the break from the SNP was not for the petty reason that he was de-selected. Of course if he told us the truth a raft of unfortunate questions would arise.

    Thirdly do the “Scottish” Liberal Democrats just not care about the quality of the candidate they ask us to vote for? Do they really think that an allegedly unreliable de-selected ex-SNP councillor would really make the best Liberal Democrat MSP for Dundee City East?

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  13. LOL MUnguin. They may be having difficulty recruiting anyone at all given their level of popularity. I've not seen one single poster....

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  14. I take it the owner of this site does not like the truth being told as my comment answering all the questions was removed it is typical of those with blinkered views and no political courage to hid away from the truth being told.

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  15. I will try again to answer the untruths on this page.

    1: I have only bee a member of 2 political Party's The SNP and The Scottish Liberal Democrats. IVOTE was a proposal from the Taxi trade who asked for my help but due to the lack of commitment from the trade it came to nothing. I supported Ian Luke in his election as Ian was a good constituency MP for Dundee East and I was not in a political party at the time.

    2: I was de-selected by the caird branch of the SNP so the family who had the majority of votes could have their family friend and yes person into a safe seat that was secured by myself after taking out the siting deputy lord provost, many constituents who said to the SNP canvassers that they where happy with their sitting councillor they where told it was an SNP councillor they had and to just look down the side of the Ballot paper for the SNP symbol and vote

    You should also note that all SNP elected members who campaigned for Alex Neil to be leader of the SNP where de-selected including Margo McDonald

    I was the most proactive councillors in the city walking about the areas that had reported youth problems at night this brought Pitkerro ward down from one of teh highest crime areas in Dundee to one of the lowest, that has now changed thanks to the lack of action from our 2 SNP councillors and 1 Labour Councillor.

    I was also the First and only elected member in Britain to hold youth surgeries for under 18 year old.

    I also defended and supported local groups in the area many of them have been closed by the votes of outr 3 councillors.

    some people have a funny view on reliability.

    As for not seeing a poster that is because we have not made any up as we do not believe in forcing people to display them but you should remember posters do not guarantee a vote from that household.

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  16. One other point on the unreliability it is true that the SNP could not rely on me to play politics by allowing things in my area to close in order to blame the Labour administration I always put my constituents first and always will. unlike the career polititians who aer also standing.

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  17. Allan: I’m sorry if your original attempt to air you point of view was not successful. It is most certainly not the policy of the “owner” of this blog to prevent the “truth” from being aired. As is clearly evidenced by the fact that you were, in the end, able to post your comment. I should stress that no comment from you was ever at any point taken down, that is not the policy of this blog unless the comment is offensive. I have checked the system and the only comments received are the ones listed and in that order. I suggest you check at your end.

    You acknowledge that you were a member of two political parties at least. I’m assuming you mean three as I suppose that you were a member of your own political party “I-vote”. You don’t seem to refute my claim that you wrote to the press under that name. The supposition then is that you had a functioning party when you did that or were just using that as a ruse to air your own points of view in the press. It is only now that we learn that it was in fact never a constituted party. A somewhat disingenuous way to behave in my personal opinion based on what I know at this time. You admit then that you “supported” Ian Luke while between parties. I don’t think I said anything other than that, I certainly did not say you were a member of the Labour party, only that you were actively sympathetic to the campaign of a Labour MP.

    Your second paragraph is, if you will forgive me, rather garbled. But thanks for admitting that you were de-selected by the SNP, I think that, that is all I said.

    I think one of the commenter’s claimed that you were de-selected because you were unreliable. I certainly did not. What they meant by that you will need to take up with them. I’m not going to comment on the de-selection for whatever reason of other ex- SNP councillors as none of them are now asking me to vote for them to become my MSP, other than, of course, you.

    If you would care to look at my earlier comment above I would be very interested to read your answers to the points I raise there. I look forward to hearing from you.

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  18. by the way just to answer your question on who the leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats was It is of course Tavish Scott but thank you for noticing that the Liberal Democrats is not a one man band like the SNP and Alex Salmond

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  19. again my answer has been removed that is now 3 times and not one thing I have written breaches any rules. unlike some of the comments on here which do indeed breach electoral law as they are lies about a standing candidate. I will however try again.

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  20. Allan: Thank you for clarifying that I was not at all clear who was leading your party’s Scottish arm. After Tavish’s appearance on Newsnight the other day I was more in the dark than not as he himself did not seem all that clear. It is good to know, however, that you are!

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  21. Allan: again your answer has most certainly not been “removed”, as you imply. What possible reason would I have for removing your comments one minute and then not doing so the next. That would hardly be a very logical way of preventing you from having your say now, would it? If I wanted to do that I would remove all of your comments and not reply, don’t you think?

    There is nothing wrong this end, as I say I have checked, I, therefore assume that the problem lies with you. As you can see nobody else reports any problems posting a comment on here. To imply that I am deliberately denying you the ability to respond is absurd.

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  22. again my answers have been removed this site really believes in fairness and openness can you not debate the truth and show everyone the facts and not the innuendos based on lies that verge on breaching electoral law.

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  23. then explain why my comments are on for a few mins in one case 10 mins then disappear, I believe it is because you do not want the truth on your blog very party political first casualty is the truth hence the reason I am better off out the SNP. You should try it

    I will post again though

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  24. that is now 5 times I have put up my reply this is pointless as you are obviously to scared to debate the truth typical of the SNP they do the same at committee in the council you are not by any chance one of them are you it is hard to tell since you hide behind a non De plum

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  25. As you are quite clearly a supporter/member of the SNP I am not surprised that you miss the point of my previous comments that answer every one of your points but let me put it in further lay man terms for you.

    my previous comment was on the page for 5 mins before it was removed so it was nothing at my end

    1: I was deselected by the SNP so that they can put in a candidate that would do as the SNP tell them and put party before constituent.

    2: Ivote was a campaigning organisation which stood for Independent voice of the electorate and was never and never claimed to be a constituted political party as this was just being looked at as a possibility however some individuals like your self who only read half facts make the rest up.

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  26. 3: You dont seem to be aware or understand your own comments "unreliability (let’s face it the SNP are unlikely to de-select a reliable and/or competent councillor are they!)." your words are they not I therefore ask you to let me and every other person know how I was unreliable It could be an interesting read of fiction like your parties manifesto.

    4: My record as a councillor is there for all to see higher investment into my ward no closure or cuts in any services increase of local committees and groups.

    After I lost my seat 2 schools have closed 2 nurseries 2 child and family centres have closed, crime has increased may community groups including the Anti poverty group have lost their funding all because the elected members are more concerned with their party political fighting and blame game and do not care what their constituents want as they take their votes for granted


    5: I have the guts not only to keep my principles and move from a Party that has deserted them (SNP) but I also put my real name against anything I say I do not hide behind non DE plums like some

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  27. Allan: only Tris or I can remove comments. For every comment that is put up we are both sent an e-mail of that comment. I have now checked my e-mail log and as far as I can make out only one e-mail exists of a comment that has not appeared on the blog it reads as follows:

    “that is now 4 times my comment has appeared then taken down by some one you are really interested in fairness on this site I see.

    As you are quite clearly a supporter/member of the SNP I am not surprised that you miss the point of my previous comments that answer every one of your points but let me put it in further lay man terms for you.

    my previous comment was on the page for 5 mins before it was removed so it was nothing at my end

    1: I was deselected by the SNP so that they can put in a candidate that would do as the SNP tell them and put party before constituent.

    2: Ivote was a campaigning organisation which stood for Independent voice of the electorate and was never and never claimed to be a constituted political party as this was just being looked at as a possibility however some individuals like your self who only read half facts make the rest up.

    3: You dont seem to be aware or understand your own comments "unreliability (let’s face it the SNP are unlikely to de-select a reliable and/or competent councillor are they!)." your words are they not I therefore ask you to let me and every other person know how I was unreliable It could be an interesting read of fiction like your parties manifesto.

    4: My record as a councillor is there for all to see higher investment into my ward no closure or cuts in any services increase of local committees and groups.

    After I lost my seat 2 schools have closed 2 nurseries 2 child and family centres have closed, crime has increased may community groups including the Anti poverty group have lost their funding all because the elected members are more concerned with their party political fighting and blame game and do not care what their constituents want as they take their votes for granted


    5: I have the guts not only to keep my principles and move from a Party that has deserted them (SNP) but I also put my real name against anything I say I do not hide behind non DE plums like some”

    I cannot explain why this comment is not up. However I trust that by publishing it myself I have proven to you that there is no underhand attempt to prevent you from having a frank discussion. Without being aware of how well you know the blogger system that runs this blog I am at a loss to explain what is going wrong. Suffice to say that a problem such as this has never arisen before.

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  28. Thank you for accepting that I have been sending in comment that was taken down it was the same one that I sent a few times I sent it again in 2 sections

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  29. Allan:

    I get an email of every comment that has been put on the blog, regardless of whether it is taken down afterwards.

    I have every one of your comments on email.

    I also have a comment from you that reads:

    "As you are quite clearly a supporter/member of the SNP I am not surprised that you miss the point of my previous comments that answer every one of your points but let me put it in further lay man terms for you.

    my previous comment was on the page for 5 mins before it was removed so it was nothing at my end

    1: I was deselected by the SNP so that they can put in a candidate that would do as the SNP tell them and put party before constituent.

    2: Ivote was a campaigning organisation which stood for Independent voice of the electorate and was never and never claimed to be a constituted political party as this was just being looked at as a possibility however some individuals like your self who only read half facts make the rest up.

    3: You dont seem to be aware or understand your own comments "unreliability (let’s face it the SNP are unlikely to de-select a reliable and/or competent councillor are they!)." your words are they not I therefore ask you to let me and every other person know how I was unreliable It could be an interesting read of fiction like your parties manifesto.

    4: My record as a councillor is there for all to see higher investment into my ward no closure or cuts in any services increase of local committees and groups.

    After I lost my seat 2 schools have closed 2 nurseries 2 child and family centres have closed, crime has increased may community groups including the Anti poverty group have lost their funding all because the elected members are more concerned with their party political fighting and blame game and do not care what their constituents want as they take their votes for granted


    5: I have the guts not only to keep my principles and move from a Party that has deserted them (SNP) but I also put my real name against anything I say I do not hide behind non DE plums like some "

    This last has not appeared on the blog, (however as you can see I have now copied it from my emails). The only possible explanations for this are: that I took it down, which I didn't; that Munguin took it down, which he assures me he didn't; that you took it down.....?

    Anyone else who has commented on this thread, and asked for emails to be sent may be able to confirm this information... I have no idea whether anyone has or not.

    I have only twice, I think, in the entire life of this blog taken any comment down. These occasions both involved the over use of the F word in a situation where it was inappropriate.

    I have never removed a comment that was critical of the blog, or the opinions reported within it. And I never shall.

    There is no point in running a blog and printing only the comments that one likes. Were I to wish to do that there would be a filter on the comments which would be held over for my, or Munguin's approval before publication. Many people do this.

    A propos of your comment about Munguin's use of a nom de plume, I can only say that many people on blogs make use of them as you can see from a brief look at the names on the comments.

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  30. I am now getting your emails, but they are not appearing on the blog, although this did not happen with the earlier ones.

    NO COMMENT HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN

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  31. Allan: I stress that no comment has been taken down by me or by Tris. I hope that I have made that totally clear.

    I accept that you are having problems posting comments. Without knowing how you are submitting them I am unable to devine what is going wrong.

    I have nothing to say further concerning your first two points.

    With the third one, however, I would like to quote you the full sentence if I may:

    “He makes no mention on his Lib Dem biog of being de-selected because of, alleged, unreliability (let’s face it the SNP are unlikely to de-select a reliable and/or competent councillor are they!).”

    I would draw your attention to the word “allegedly” in that sentence. An allegation not made by me.

    I would also like to say that I am not standing in this election nor am I am elected member of the SNP.
    I trust that puts to bed any notion that I have a political axe to grind.

    Rather I was curious that you did not feel any obligation to your would be electors to inform them of your colourful political history.

    I do stand by what I have written above, however, and am grateful to you for substantiating the points mentioned for me.

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  32. I am posting my comments through the Post a comment box at the bottom of the Comments and they are appearing on the page for short periods of time then disappearing however I believe in given the benefit of the doubt that it is not intentional by yourselves.

    On the issue of the word alleged this is a word used by many people to throw allegations about individuals and try to avoid legal action over defamation of character. This however is a very week case in court as continued spreading of lies is still defamation regardless of it being alleged.

    I therefore challenge you or the others who have made this statement to give examples of me being unreliable or with draw the statement, or is it a case of not letting facts get in the way of the argument.

    but in the interests of fairness can you tell me what the 3 councillors for my old ward have done for their constituents over the last 4 years and what the SNP councillor has done over the last 8 years.

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  33. If you want to hear the fact about my colourful political history then here it is.

    1986 joined the campaign for the regeneration of the MidCraigie/Linlathen communities

    1992 joined Scotland United

    1992 Joined the Scottish National Party

    1992 became organiser of the Dundee SNP

    1993 Became a member of the Timex Strike Committee.

    1993 became chair of the International Boycott Timex Product committee.

    1994 became Secretary of the Dundee SNP

    1996 secretary of the Save our Schools Campaign in the MidCraigie and Linlathen area.

    1997/98 Became National Convener of the SNP Trade Union Group.

    1997 founding member and secretary of the SNP Caird Branch in Dundee

    1999 elected as SNP councillor for the Pitkerro Ward Dundee City Council.

    2000 became a member of Alex Neil campaign for SNP leader.

    2001 resigned membership of SNP

    2003 stood as an Independent Councillor losing by just over 100 votes despite spending less than £200 on my campaign against the £1000's spent by the SNP and Labour.

    2005 leafleted for Ian Luke for the Dundee East Seat supporting the person not the party.

    2006 joined the Scottish Liberal Democrats

    2008 Started a campaign and petition to strengthen child protection laws after the death of Brandon Lee Muir I was supported by brandons family but opposed by the SNP, Labour and the Green Parties who believe the current system of child protection works fine.

    also between 2003 till 2010 was chair person of the MidCraigie Linlathen community Safety panel, Mid/Lin festival committee, secretary under 12's project, secretary/vice chair Midlin Day care. elected member of the North east community regeneration forum, member of the National community voices network advisory group.

    hope this is helpful for you

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  34. tris / munguin

    I suspect that Allan's comments are being lost as he hasn't enabled 'accept 3rd party cookies'. The comments appear to be sent but aren't. Normal cookie enabling doesn't work for some blogs ( like yours ). A good tip is to 'copy' any comment before sending. This means that you can do a quick 'paste' if the comment gets lost. Saves writing it out again :)

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  35. Thank you Hugh and many thanks for that useful eplanation.

    It seems, however, that Allan is now able to comment and accepts that we did not try to prevent him from having his say. Indeed I feel we have been more than fair by both Tris and myself, as well as Allan actually posting his missing response in full. So in actual fact he has had three bites of the cherry, so to speak.

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  36. Allan. I don’t intend to indulge in any further discussion of your alleged unreliability. Suffice to say that I stand by the fact that I did not make that allegation. If you feel your character has been besmirched in any way, I apologise, that was not my intention.

    I also stand by what I said in the post concerning you as follows:

    1. You were de-selected by the SNP prior to you leaving the part.
    2. You campaigned for Ian Luke of the Labour Party.
    3. You contacted the press under the banner of your own political party I-vote.
    4. You Lib Dem biog makes no mention of any of this.

    I feel that these four points are in the public interest and that they should bear them in mind when they consider voting for you. I know that I will. That was the sole intention of this post and I am sorry that it has got sidetracked by a comment not made by me.

    If you feel that electoral law has been infringed. I am very willing for you to submit the post to the Electoral Commission (or some such adjudicatory body) where I will co-operate fully with any investigation they wish to make and fully abide by their findings.

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  37. So can you tell me a bit about Shona Robison or Mohammed Asif political history or is it just mine that interests you so much? I have spelt out in great detail my campaigning past which I am very proud of it.

    I have to say that your continued attempts to undermine my political life is extremely weak and have been used by the SNP for many years now and perhaps you could explain to me why the Wallacetown branch of the SNP offered me an alternative seat Fairmuir ward against the former Lord Provost Helen Wright.

    The facts of the matter are I left the SNP because of the new leaderships attack on hard working party members and their move from principled policy's to a say anything to be elected party. I know that will be hard for the SNP to except but those are the facts.

    I also find it strange that you do not believe in the concept of voting for the person and not teh party as I did with Ian Luke.

    You also mention IVOTE as my own political party as I have said time and time again this was never registered as a political party and was the idea of the Taxi trade who asked for my assistance.

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  38. Allan thanks you for what I hope you will agree is the full and frank airing of views all round. I am sure that thanks to you readers now have all the facts.

    Once again thank you for your contribution.

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  39. thank you it has got me thinking though that it might be a good idea if someone could start a local hustings blog for future elections where all candidates are questioned by the electorate on line as many people are a little apprehensive of attending or asking questions at husting meetings

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  40. I'm inclined to agree that a blog would be a good idea because as you say many people lack the confidence to stand up and ask questions in front of other people, although of course it would lack the atmosphere of the live event.

    I wonder if D C Thomson would consider hosting and moderating it?

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  41. Is non de plum the same as nom de plume?

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  42. Je crois que non, Anon!!!!

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  43. Peut-etre the past unreliable tense? N'est il pas.

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  44. Vous avez, peut être, raison Anonymes. ;¬))

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  45. il n'est pas très agréable d'écrire dans une langue plus de votre lecteur de ne pas lire peut être très rude et je prends anonyme n'a jamais fait une faute de frappe avant

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  46. Et c’est qui, celui qui ne le comprend pas?

    Il y a tellement de lecteurs de ce blog-ci qui parlent presque parfaitement français (vous inclus, il semble) et quelques uns pour qui c’est la langue maternelle même. De toute façon il est toujours possible d’utiliser une facilité traduction ce qui est disponible sur l’ordinateur.

    Pour cette dernière raison on accepterait les commentaires dans n’importe quelles langues.

    (Jusqu’ à présent vous les trouverez en français, espagnol, islandais et allemand.)

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  47. Je n'ai même jamais pensé à utiliser l'ordinateur pour traduire faudra voir si je peux trouver un site pour cela pourrait être une chose très pratique pour garder en favoris merci j'ai lu et le droit français mieux que parler. après tout, il a été plus de 20 ans depuis que je suis l'a enseigné, mais ne sont quelques amis français de la Confédération générale du travail (CGT)

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  48. Bon Allan. 'Y a une telle fonction sur « Microsoft Word » sous le titre « Review ».

    Vous parlez très bien français. 'Y a pas trop de gens dans ce pays qui peuvent le faire! Bravo !

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