Friday, 19 September 2014

IT'S A BRAND NEW DAY


I’m gutted, as I know most of you are.

But the people voted, the first minister has made a statement and we must accept the democratic process. There's an end to it and at the same time the beginning of something else. 

Scots voted in overwhelming numbers. They voted to be British. They voted for clout and nuclear weapons. They voted for being part of the 4th most unequal nation in the developed world, and for the lowest pensions in that world apart from Mexico. That is what they wanted; that is what they will get.

They voted for neo-liberal governments of Conservative and Labour complexions for which money is the only god, and nothing else (most certainly not ordinary people) matters. They voted to be part of the least democratic country in the EU with an hereditary head of state holding and using real political power; a massive and expensive unelected house of parliament full of aristocrats, would-be aristocrat placemen, rich party donors, and the hierarchy of the Church of England, along with a corrupt house of parliament in which 66% of the seats are jobs for life because of the antiquated voting system used by Britain for ever, and that they just approved in a referendum. 

They voted for Iain Duncan Smith, Lord Fraud and Esther McVile. They voted for throwing the chronically ill off benefits and letting them die. They voted for the NHS to be privatised. I hope they never need it.

They voted for a country more or less permanently at war with countries to which is sells arms; a country where the troops sent to fight these wars (wars that increase rather than diminish the threat to our peoples) have substandard kit and rations, while the government boasts the 4th largest military spend on unusable weapons of mass destruction. All so that the likes of David Cameron, Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair can strut the world stage while in power and then enrich themselves after by sharing anecdotes of their times with the real leaders of the world.

They voted for a country where the money goes straight to London and its environs, leaving Scotland with third rate roads and railways, while billions, possibly trillions is spent on upgrading infrastructure in the south some of which will actively harm the Scottish economy. 

They voted for no voice in the EU and the very real possibility that the UK will leave the union, and lose millions of jobs in the process

Everyone will have had their own reasons for having no confidence in their own nation.

For some it will have been that they believed the lies of the BBC and non-Scottish owned press about not getting pensions or border guards with barbed wire fences and sub machine guns and a hundred other fabrications that were later disproved, but only online.

Of course the press may print what it likes. We needn't buy it. As for the BBC and their lying corrupt second rate journalists, who refused to seek the truth? Well apparently Scots voted for them too, so get paying for their salary increases.

Some may truly believe that they are British to the core and that no matter the realities of British life and the consequences of staying, they will not leave their queen and country. 
Difficult though it will be to comprehend, some will have believed the pledges of more powers from the likes of the arch liars of Cameron, Brown and Miliband.  (Frankly I find it hard to believe that anyone would have been stupid enough to do anything but splutter with uncontrolled laughter at the compulsive pledge signer Clegg.)

Some were just greedy, self serving, selfish individuals who believe that hungry kids and cold pensioners in an oil rich nation is a price worth paying so that they could go on earning large amounts of money, paying reduced amounts of tax. Their consciences can always be salved with an occasional donation to a food bank.

Whatever the reason, we must accept that more people voted for Britain than voted for Scotland.

So what to do now.

Well according to Cameron, the work on devolving more powers starts today. Mind you, according to the rest of his party, it doesn’t. So I wish them luck trying to persuade English MPs, whom we know are the vast majority in the London parliament, to agree to better conditions for Scotland, at a time that they are trying to fend off the Ukip threat in the run up to their general election and hang on to their soon to be increased salaries, fabulous expenses and unbelievable pensions. 

I wonder how the Labour Party in Scotland feels having manage to lose the four poorest areas of Scotland. They may be feeling very smug about having won overall, but it must strike them that they are no longer trusted by the people they were supposed to represent; they are no longer the people’s party. I'm not entirely sure they will survive this intact.

Just before we try to get off to sleep here, it seems appropriate to say thank you to the people who worked so hard over such a long time on this referendum. No names, because I’d leave someone out and be embarrassed, but I mean… the politicians, current and retired, the “celebrities”, the bloggers, the Sunday Herald and the few journalists who took a balanced view of the campaign, and the tens of thousands of hard working volunteers who pounded the streets day after day and night after night.

It was a life changing experience to be part of it all.

What will Munguin do?

Well, I think, after discussions with the furry one, that we shall stick around and poke fun at the horrible mess that will result of the conflicts of interest between Scotland and UK. There will be a continued campaign here for decency in the treatment of the poorest: a campaign against the Iain Duncan Smiths and Gideon Osbornes of this world.

Mr Cameron has said the matter is settled for a generation. I doubt that very much, Eton boy.  We shall all be watching you carefully. We can expect no help for the BBC or the English press. We must do it online.

It's a brand New Day.

97 comments:

  1. just woke up

    glasgow,Dundee

    45%

    younger future vote

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    1. The poorer areas voted overwhelmingly in favour.

      Good luck to Millipede with that!

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    1. Yes, we all are, but I refuse to buckle down to the Tories Blue or Red, or that joke "Nick Thanks you for keeping our family together, although I'm about to lose my seat Clegg".

      We have to fight for a decent Scotland, although it will be an uphill struggle. It's either that or conceded that we are all Gordon Brown lookalikes, North Britons.

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  3. tris

    sorry ! mate would give you hug if i could...........anyways off to turkey today c u when i gets back.

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    1. Have a good holiday Niko... :) and thanks.

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  4. This sums up very well my feelings and thoughts though I would go further - I am ashamed; ashamed that I do not have a country worthy of respect. Perhaps because I lived for over 30 years in various countries in Europe, I have absolutely no sense of Britishness. It seems I don't have a country - I live in North Britain, in a regional appendage to England but certainly not in a country worthy of the name.

    The fight may go on by a generation younger than me. But the British Establishment does not give up power easily and it soon will have more pressing battles to fight.

    I fear what is to come - not for myself - but for those who will suffer as the region of Scotland is marginalised and put in its place by an Establishment determined to put the Scots in their place. I will not get much satisfaction in sniping from the side lines as things go rapidly down hill - I'll have to leave that to others

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    1. Yes, I can see that. I'm ashamed that there were so many who were either too self obsessed or prepared to be scared lifeless by a pile of lying sacks of junk.

      Not much you can do about old people who remember the Empire and the rubbish they were taught about it.

      Younger ones, no excuse.

      Still we go on to fight IDS, foodbanks, wars and nuclear weapons.

      What we need is a left of centre party... maybe a Labour Party.

      On the other hand , no.

      Still, take consolation that we didn't break Cameron's heart... We'll leave that to Boris.

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  5. The money men have made a packet overnight I'm sure you must be pleased about that

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    1. Yeah, the greedy will have done well.

      Enjoy greedy, rub your chubby hands together with glee and have a good laugh at the poor.

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  6. http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/09/bbc-sources-devo-max-isnt-happening/

    Devo Max is not going to happen says BBC

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    1. Yep... but we knew that, because Clegg was involved and he just couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

      And the minute that they pledged it, Tory backbenchers, and now some ministers, said NOT ON YOUR LIFE IN A NEW YORK SECOND.

      Imagine Miliband being suckered in by Cameron and his poodle.

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    2. Yip I've been posting that link all over the Graun. By God there are going to be some very disappointed No voters if they think that new powers are coming and that Holyrood can protect them. No wave bye bye to free prescription, personal care, council tax freeze, bedroom tax relief, 10% council tax benefit relief (in EWANI the max benefit is 90%) and free tuition.

      Enjoy

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    3. That's what they chose.

      Hell mend them when they get it.

      Trust Cameron and Miliband?

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Scotland must have glass doors.

      Jeeeeeez,

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    1. That's why we have to stay on line and fighting.

      The BBC won't notice when they break all their pledges.

      We have to.

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    2. Yup.

      This, we need to keep at it and highlight the lies & failures to deliver as they surface.

      Currently I'm using all of my self-restraint to not rail at those who voted No. Obviously people had all sorts of reasons for doing so - those with a genuine affection for the UK are excused.

      Those who didn't take the time to get educated or decided that their lot was OK even although others are struggling and those who blindly followed party lines - you can all fuck right off.

      Ooops, a wee slip there. I VOW to try harder.

      ;-)

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    3. Awffy lot of vowing going on here!

      People who voted no had every right to do so, but I have difficulties with people who were daft enough to believe what people like Cameron, Milly and, most of all, Clegg said.

      I can't believe anyone would trust any of them.

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  8. So glad Munguin and you are sticking around. I'm proud I voted yes. Being in East Ren I'm surrounded by people who voted No. A number of them did so because they are British first. I respect that. Also they are affluent and unaffected by cuts. But I am poor and I am affected by them. I'm crying not just for Scotland but for me personally.

    But to those you voted yes for meaningful devolution, hell mend you for believing those bloody liars.


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    1. Thanks.

      I'm not suggesting we can make much difference, but to walk away would mean that the likes of the millionaires Darling, Brown, Blair, Cameron, his poodle and Miliband have won.

      They haven't. Life's about to get more difficult for them. Hopefully VERY much more difficult.

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  9. Newsnet Scotland, Wings over Scotland, Bella Caledonia, and all the other websites that have fought so well to provide balanced reporting in the referendum campaign should now join forces in a tactical voting campaign that will capitalise on the now evident disillusionment with Westminster in Glasgow, the West of Scotland, and elsewhere with the purpose of electing as many independence seeking MP's to Westminster as we can at the UK General Election in May 2015.

    For it may very well be that Scotland's MP's can hold the balance of power and not only use that to hold the Westminster parties to account for their "Vows" and prevent Westminster attempts to enforce more neo-liberal policies on Scotland but also use their numbers to force very substantial further devolution concessions from whoever is the largest party hoping to form a UK government.

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    1. That's an interesting point.

      Of course what we are talking about is really the SNP and/or a new kind of Labour.

      Clearly Miliband's Labour will vote with whatever is best for England's rich south east where they want the votes.

      The Liberals Pledgegates will be history I suspect, and there's not much point in talking about the Tories. They've been dead for years since Thatcher killed them off.

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  10. The vote was rigged by Westminster, as evidenced by this - https://twitter.com/stumurph/status/512746847425687555/photo/1

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  11. No, really I don't think so. Not in any large way.

    Apparently these were unsorted votes waiting to be counted (according to Twitter last night).

    The fraud would have had to be massive to make any difference.

    I think we are clutching at straws to say that they cheated at that level. Albeit that I agree that the British state is an organisation that would have no limits in perfidy they wouldn't have the ability to cheat on the scale that would be required.

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  12. The SNP and Greens and Labour for Indy YES supporting parties and YES movement should rapidly capitalise on the setting aside of differences they showed in the YES campaign join forces very soon to form a new single political party with its sole objective a federal Scotland with full fiscal autonomy in time to join the campaign for the May 2015 UK general election, and called e.g. the Scottish Federal Democracy Party.

    The voters in Glasgow, Dundee, the West of Scotland, and elsewhere are now clearly disillusioned with the Westminster parties and a new political party with a federal objective can win the support of those voters to elect a very large contingent of pro-federal MP’s to Westminster who could hold the balance of power and ensure Scotland gets a true federal government with full fiscal autonomy.

    This new party should be supported by a new federal supporting subscription funded daily online newspaper provide news and video just as most of the large newspapers are now doing in the USA, formed by the merger of Newsnet Scotland, WoS, and Bella Caledonia, and anyone else that supports the federal Scotland objective.

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    1. You have some interesting ideas there, Anon.

      But even if Scotland returned 59 of these people, Westminister would simply outvote them.

      I'm certainly very much for an alliance of the left with the SNP, Greens Scottish Socialists, Proper Labour, and the Radical Movement.

      But I know there are many policies that they would disagree on.

      People should at least consider it as a possibility.

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  13. My deepest fear has, come to pass. Scotland has become Scotlandshire, the labour heartland of the the downtrodden, lumpenproletariat. Those, of us, who dreamt of better things must not melt away; like snow of a dyke. We need to take a deep breath, gather ourselves and prepare to fight the good fight, for as long as it takes.
    JimnArlene

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    1. Well the first thing, I think, is to show just how shallow Westminister's promises are.

      They were no sooner made than backbenchers were disowning them.

      Now according to the BBC (of all people) they are pulling back.

      I'll be fighting on...

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  14. Ah Well; North Britain it is then!!

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    1. There you have it. Brown was right all the time.

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  15. I 've posted this everywhere I can think of
    http://shaunynews.com/2014/09/19/why-did-1-million-people-not-vote-who-were-registered-video-proof-cheating/

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    1. I was told that the yes vote pile on the no vote bench was before they had been sorted, when they counted the number of ballots to work out the percentage turnout.

      I can't explain the rest. I'm sure someone will come forward with an explanation.

      We were told that there would be many scrutineers at each count.

      I'm not saying you don't have something there. I'm not saying that they are above it. This is Britain. They are corrupt, but I just can't see them thinking they could get away with something as big as this.

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    2. Two words make me believe that they would try it:

      "No Recounts"

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    3. Message on Mr Bateman's site from Morag Kerr about alleged improprieties, which is clearly only her opinion, but worth taking into consideration:

      There’s nothing untoward in the clips. One of someone replacing misfiled ballots. One of unsorted bundles of ballots at the end of the reconciliation process parked on a table which was already labelled to receive the No votes LATER, after the actual count. And one of a lad writing something on a piece of paper. Perhaps the total number of ballots in the box.

      Who filmed these clips? It looks to have been a counting agent, but a counting agent’s duty is to intervene if he sees something misfiled or untoward and get it fixed, not to film it covertly, say nothing, and upload the film to the net with baseless allegations attached.

      Someone wants to provoke the Yes people into a destructive conspiracy mindset. Someone does not have our best interests at heart.

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    4. From Morag (Kerr, I think):

      Only her opinion of course, but alwyas worth listening to what she has to say.

      There’s nothing untoward in the clips. One of someone replacing misfiled ballots. One of unsorted bundles of ballots at the end of the reconciliation process parked on a table which was already labelled to receive the No votes LATER, after the actual count. And one of a lad writing something on a piece of paper. Perhaps the total number of ballots in the box.

      Who filmed these clips? It looks to have been a counting agent, but a counting agent’s duty is to intervene if he sees something misfiled or untoward and get it fixed, not to film it covertly, say nothing, and upload the film to the net with baseless allegations attached.

      Someone wants to provoke the Yes people into a destructive conspiracy mindset. Someone does not have our best interests at heart.

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  16. Bravo Dundee for showing the cowards and the quislings how it should have been done. What pride I have left today is not for being Scots but for being a Dundonian. Gutted!!!

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    1. I'm proud that Dundee voted YES. And well done Glasgow too.

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  17. Tris, please keep on blogging. I think we must not give up; we must not have a repeat of 1979. Without a strong independence movement Scotland will be shafted. We must keep pushing for more powers or another referendum.

    Full version at http://lescunningham.wordpress.com/

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    1. Excellent post.

      I won't give up, les.

      PS... your blog is on the blogroll. :)

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  18. I don't know what to say that isn't full of sweary words, so I suppose it's to repeat you, he'll mend them right enough. I'm glad your going to continue posting and I will continue reading , with the occasional comment. I'm sitting here with tears running down my cheeks when, just yesterday I was full of hope. I see the young folk voted YES by ? over 70% the complete opposite of my own age group. Well at least, as someone tweeted, I'm one of the 45% who can still sing flower of Scotland.

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    1. Yup. We are the 45% - and we must never let the other 55% forget it.

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    2. It's good to know that the young voted heavily in favour.

      At least the future is with yes.

      I guess, if you are old, have no computer and are told by politicians you were taught to respect as your betters (Jeez, that's a joke) then you probably worry that you're going to lose everything. That's what they promised you.

      War, famine, pestilence, borders, high phone charges, high supermarket prices, thrown out of every organisation, 10,000 treaties to sign with states that haven't existed for over 100 years, no pension and no army to protect you and using stones as currency.

      They really are a set of lying ********

      I trust that the decision they scared people into brings them no joy whatsoever.

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  19. Have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtzhuMJqwY

    Its becoming increasingly obvious the vote was rigged by Westminster.

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    1. I think they had already be sorted into bundles to count the numbers.

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    2. @Tris

      That ballot box was SEALED, yet when she opens it the votes are already stacked in neat bundles it is impossible. I am old enough to have voted yes in the 1979 referendum, Westminster rigged it then and they did so now.

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    3. OK, I bow to your greater knowledge, Anon. The matter should be in the hands of Police Scotland

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    4. Come off it! You Anon have such a low respect for the democratic process you're now clinging to a conspiracy theory?

      Show more respect for yourself, and what was an amazing democratic process.

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    5. Well, I think that if there are examples of doubt, we should be prepared to investigate.

      The British government is always telling us that if we have nothing to hide we have nothing to fear. So no harm can come from an investigation. Only a confirmation that all was above board.

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  20. Tris.
    I've always enjoyed your blog and it's good to hear you'll continue. We need to learn from this and come back stronger. As I've said on other blogs. I can forgive those who voted no for the best of intentions. But I will never, ever, forgive those lying deceitful people who voted no and coaxed others to vote no for their own personal gain. I don't believe this is the last of this and I suspect that both Labour and the Lib Dems will find life hard from here on. Interestly enough, I was remarking to a colleague that the idiots had everything to gain from an independent Scotland. Now, not only have they shafted Scotland, they've shafted themselves, and for what. They let their hatred of Alex Salmond blind them and now Cameron has them where he wants them. Nothing will come of the promises. Labour and the Lib Dems are finished in Scotland. They are just too stupid to realise it.

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    1. I suspect the political landscape has indeed changed. For Labour to be encouraging a NO vote in their heartlands and for these heartlands to dismiss that call and vote Yes indicated that they are on very sticky ground.

      If I were Lamont I'd be looking around for someone to take over from me. Mind who is there that isn;t even more pathetic than she is.

      Dugdale? Baillie?

      Pffffffffffff

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  21. I am so pissed off that I'm finding it difficult to put my pissed-off-ness into words. It may be regarded as nigh on sacrilege to some but I think, and have said before, that the Yes strategy was wrong and they left themselves open to criticism by not presenting a broad front rather than the SNP version of the future.

    This version led for criticism and, in some cases ridicule,on a number of the main issues, including currency, EU, NATO, WMD etc.

    Personally, I wanted nothing to do with a currency union or anything that needed the UK Government's permission or co-operation.

    I was quite ambivalent regarding the membership of the EU and would have wanted the pros and cons regarding the membership aired before I made up my mind.

    Similarly, I would have wanted to know whether joining NATO would involve the retention of nuclear weapons or not.

    However, if I wanted independence I would have to go along with that version.

    To my mind what the Yes Campaign should have said was that following a Yes vote there would be a referendum on these three main issues with the alternatives clearly defined and that negotiations would depend on the results of that referendum. After all you cannot forge a new nation over-night..

    Given that the results would be the sovereign decision of the voters the NO brigade would have been stymied and unable to, for example, put Salmond on the back-foot like they did over the issue of the currency, EU and NATO membership.

    It is, of course, mere speculation as to what extent that would have increased the YES vote but if people who are for or against the three issues mentioned were given a voice on the issues they would, surely, be more inclined to vote in favour of being given these options. Direct involvement of voters instead of hoping that they would blindly accept what was offered would certainly encourage me to vote in favour.

    I realise that that it would be a massive task to arrange such a referendum but the voters list is already there and it is of massive importance to Scottish voters and the future direction they want the country to take,.

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    1. I couldn't agree more.

      I didn't want to be in Nato, although it wasn't a deal breaker for me. Nuclear would absolutely have been.

      I am relatively ambivalent about the EU, although I would want to be in Efta if not the EU.

      And with the proviso that the hard petro currency wouldn't leave us in a position where no one, and most specifically the Uk, could not afford to trade with us, I'd much rather have had a Scottish currency.

      I might have added to that, although it's not that important to me, a referendum on the head of state. After all, if you are setting up a referendum, you might as well test everything that you can think of.

      We'll get over it, although I'm not sure I will get over Gordon Brown and his pensions, sick children and blood transfusion.

      He is and always was a repugnant little man.

      I think it's high time someone was looking into this charity of his, given it seems to generate very little charity.

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  22. Tris

    It's all very raw and will be for a long time for many of us. I have been going through many feelings today and talking to many in Dundee today, the sense of betrayal is there for all to see. I hope and will also work hard to make sure that the Labour Party pay for their lies and deceit, liberals also. Tories are Tories and that's that but the other two parties deserve our contempt. Scotland lived for 15 hours and then died again. The South east and London, with the yes to English devolution will hurt every single one of us. I need to decide how I engage with that, is it the SSP, the Greens or maybe it's the SNP. There are many people on the YES side who have earned my respect but none more than Alec Salmond, a giant amongst flies. We all owe that man a huge thanks. For a while he gave us what many craved, our country but sadly fear won.

    Bruce

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    1. Hi Bruce,

      It will be interesting at the next election whether Labour for indy will forgive and forget their party cuddling up to the Tories or indeed whether many Labour voter will be willing to do the same.

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    2. Yes Bruce. I'm sorry to see Alex stand down. He is, like him or not, and I don;t always, a towering figure in politics.

      The disaster for Scotland is we lose a man like him and keep folk like Lamont and Davidson.

      We all owe Salmond a huge debt of gratitude. He has made life immeasurably better for people in Scotland in his 7 years as First Minister. Without a doubt the best one we ever had.

      I think everyone is feeling raw at the moment. Most of us have been working for this for a long time. It's a part of our lives that has now disappeared.

      I doubt very much, having heard Allan Grogan speak, that there is any hope that LfI will back a right of centre neo-liberal Labour Party with jerks like murphy, Robertson, Alexander and Baillie.

      The curl on his lip as he spoke about them was noticeable from the third row.

      I hope some of the RIC will take their ambitions forward.

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  23. Tris

    Alec Salmond is going, what a sad day but expected I guess.

    Bruce

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    1. I was sad to hear it, but he has worked hard and he's not getting any younger. He deserves some time to relax and spend with Moira.

      Good luck to them both.

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  24. There will be a bigger disappointment in England ,we were hoping to wake up in a free ,independent country.

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    1. Well you should have told your politicians to tell the truth.

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  25. I'm bitterly disappointed we've lost the battle but the war can still be won, we have to make sure Westminster follows through with new powers promised then there's the UK GE on 2015, then the Scottish elections on 2016, the the in-out EU referendum, and we'll need you and Munguin there to see us through it so don't ever think of giving up.

    Also Glasgow voted YES a Labour heartland, it will be interesting to see how Glasgow votes in 2016, I and will never vote Labour as thy're ruled by Westminster, I'm pretty disgusted with Edinburgh and Aberdeen both voted no.

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    1. It is still an exciting time, and yes, Munguin will be there, and of course where goest Munguin, goest I. :)

      Like you I'm fascinated to see what will happen in the next elections.

      Labour have become a part of the Tories really. Alistair is indistinguishable from a Tory with his £2,500 suits.

      I doubt very much will be devolved. Nothing that is useful. The income tax thing maybe (although the Tory Backbenchers are against it.

      It seems that the Eng;lish are demanding that Scots no longer be allowed to vote on English matters. Of course I agree with that, but you have to have a some input as long as Scottish spending depends on English spending.

      And in the case of a Labour government it would be easy to have a situation where the government only had a majority for UK wide matters and the Tories would be able to pursue their agenda in English only matters.

      A federal parliament might solve that, but it might as well be an English parliament for all the influence that anyone else has.

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  26. Sign this petition sanctioned by Alex Salmond due irregularities of the count more 4000 have signed already. **SIGN NOW**

    https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69707

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  27. Gimmicks were no match to cold hard reality in the end.

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    1. Kilts. Bagpipes,saltire waving were all well and good for whipping up the passion, but when the sums didn't add up common sense dictated that yes would suffer a comprehensive defeat.

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  28. I am calling this Black Friday.
    Only yesterday I wore my kilt with pride as I walked into the Polling Station. Today I feel so sad - beyond words. To cap it all, an amazing leader has resigned.

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    1. Try not to be too glum. We'll all pick ourselves up in the end. Things will start to happen.

      Alex has been a great leader. There are others in the party who can take over. He'll be a front line loss, but he'll always be there in the background if we need him.

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  29. The Scottish voted for the same old status quo shit that we vote for in England and Wales ., They rightly did not fall for the 'pig in a poke' option that Salmond was pimping . Where to go from here ? Get LibLabCon (EU) out of Wastemonster . Obviously .
    Two of our worst PMs? Bliar and Brown . You got your revenge there alright but you do not seem to like it much .

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    1. Well, I said above what the Scots voted for.

      Food Banks and bloodbaths, clout and war, cold pensioners, evil men like Esther McVile and her marte IDS. Lords who sleep the says away at our expense, a royal family taking up 6 places, embassies all over the world stuffed to the brim with high earning flunkies, MPs who fiddle expenses, a corrupt BBC where paedophiles are able to hide for decades, and a country that goes to war to please America, even if there is absolutely no reason.

      No wonder we don't like it.

      yes, I'd agree that Brown and Blair are up there with the evil old witch Thatcher. Brown is a lying obsessed psychopath and Blair a murdering war criminal.

      You are right to blame Scotland for both of them, although they were both ashamed of their Scottishness and pretended to be English.

      Deal is we wish we were gone and you wish we were gone, but your politicians were so desperate to keep us that they spent two years lying to us.

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    1. Stay classy Kids. You probably haven't a clue what you are doing. But you should probably learn before you get much older.

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  31. Sad day and feel gutted for all who have given their time and energy in this cause to right a 307 year wrong but the British state was never going to be an easy nut to crack when it had total control of the media.

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    1. My Hungarian lawyer friend said a year ago... They will never allow it.

      She was right.

      They lied and lied and lied and the BBC and the press kept mum, as they have done so often to cover lies and other transgressions...

      When they want to keep something; they keep it. To hell with the human cost.

      I note that following the Tory backbenchers revolt on devo max, it has been downgraded to an extension of the existing powers. And that Labour having promised action this day, and now talking about this time next year...

      No one knows or cares what the Liberals think.

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  32. Remember all this devo-max promoted by the last PM Gordon Brown and the present one Dave Cameron that you would get if you voted no well they have changed their minds. Thanks very much those promoting No Thanks as you have just shat on all of Scotland.

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    1. Yes... well Stu also reporting that Labour have backed away from their promises.

      That's remarkably fast even for the stinking pot of corruption that is Westminster and the UK

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  33. fascist scum bootboys causing mayhem in George Sq tonight-natural allies to Broon and Bushy Brows -well done to better together,keep waving your union flags...scum.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29288249

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    1. Unsettling. The fire at the Sunday Herald is worrying too.

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  34. tris,

    We have a vote in a General Election in 2015. If we could organise a pact between the SNP and the Greens it is not beyond imagination that we could take the country.

    And, what then?


    A majority in Westminster of anti Unionist MP's from Scotland?

    Was that not a criteria, not so long ago?

    I am as gutted as you, but this is Not over.

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    1. Once the general election campaign comes on full flow, it will be interesting to see what affect this referendum campaign will have had on UK politics in our little backwater.

      Not that our 59 has any say at all in what goes on in London. But Labour may have themselves a little problem. Sucking up to Tories, talking at Tory party conferences. not good for the image in Scotland. Ask the once 16 strong, now 5 strong, Liberal party.

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  35. Day two in North Britain!

    I suppose my sense of disgust and contempt for my ain folk will fade. But not so far! I can't seem to get over my revulsion for the cowardly majority that flushed our country down the toilet and handed our hope and our future to the Tories of whatever complexion!

    As for all joining together and getting behind the United Kingdom and respecting the will of the majority. What lovely words! But No, not me. The UK can (in the words of our dear Prime Minister) get F'ing stuffed and so can the Scots!

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  36. We are the 45% and we are not going away.

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    1. We have to keep that momentum up.

      It seems that the unionists are already ensuring that that WILL happen.

      http://wingsoverscotland.com/keep-em-peeled/

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  37. The SNP need to state before the next elections that a vote for them, is a vote for independence. They need to make it clear that if they get a majority, they will declare independence. They have to stop allowing unionists using them, just because they are good administrators.
    This is a win-win situation. If they lose, then the unionist Party can get their deserved blame for implementing the cuts that are coming.
    We've tried playing by Westminsters rules, so time to try another way.

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    1. Interesting idea.

      it would then become a replay of the referendum campaign and people who are worried about many other things might feel that the SNP had, instead of being the most competent party of government Scotland has ever had, become a one trick pony.

      In a way I'd love to see the hapless brainless Labour party as the next Scottish government faced with implementing the massive cuts from London and trying to defend their Pledges and Vows.

      It would mean 4 years of utter misery for everyone but the super rich, but that might be a price worth paying for the inevitable independence at the end.

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    2. Never posted here before, just swinging between despair and cold rage, so proud of the 45 and Glasgow/Dundee etc, Started to feel better when I realised the 55 will be split 4 ways in all elections, if most of the 45 turn out for the snp, we will smash these crooks at the next 2 elections. thank you everyone, especially A.S.. Lets get behind Nicola and retire these bastards in the uk election.

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    3. Welcome Anon.

      That's a new way of looking at it... but remember too that a lot of the Yes were from Labour, Greens, Scottish Socialists, Liberals. Let's hope that they see the next UK election (let's be honest, we never really have any influence in them) as a way to show their party leaders what they think of them.

      Love to see Murphy, Alexander and Vinegar Tits lose their seats.

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    1. If that gets off the ground it is a set changer.

      Getting a political party off the ground under FPTP is pretty much impossible.

      Still, if there is a chance, it may be now.

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  39. My son just phoned me and said there is a big Yes demo in Dundee city centre by the youngsters.
    The fight goes on! :-)

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    1. Interesting...

      I hope the kids keep this alive.

      I want no trouble, I make that very very clear, but the state has lied to us in exactly the way that was prophesied. They can't get away with this.

      We're not going back in the box and youngsters who are not jaded byu lies over the years, or decades, are the ones to make sure it doesn't go away for them.

      If only we had a broadcaster or a few decent newspaper, maybe the older people would see it too.

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  40. I got a lovely message on my email from a Welsh reader of the blog, but this thread is so long I can't find it. Added to which Blogger has a tendency recently to lose posts., so I've reprinted it here:

    I've not actually posted here before, but I had to come here to say that this has been the most dispiriting political event of my 52 years.

    I'm not Scottish (by any definition, although I had an Auntie Bertha in Thornliebank) and have never even been to Scotland, but as someone who has supported my own country's right to self-determination for over 35 years, I saw your campaign as perhaps the last chance for humane politics on this wretched island. I have felt every bump in the road with you, felt every small thrill of hope and triumph, and have come to see not just you but Wings, WGD & Michael Greenwell as something akin to on-line family, and I'm not sure what I can do now.

    (Hell! I'm welling up again).

    Stay strong for each other, and - if you need a new mission - why not spend the 18 months between now and when you should have been free doing all you can to undermine the Labour Party and its propaganda wing, the BBC in Scotland?

    It's been a privilege to have been with you, however remotely.

    I'm touched by that message Mr S.

    Thank you for your support. I suspect we will be undermining the false claims of british Labour hoping for the reward of seeing some of the Tory loving, Westminster lot lose their comfortable perch on the gravy train.

    Gyda chariad ar gyfer yr Alban i Gymru.

    Tris

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    1. PS... Stick with us. We shall be looking for anyway to upset the comfortable lives of the Labour elite ...

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    2. I was wondering where it went! Isn't technology wonderful?

      N

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  41. Nice message from Cymru.(sp)
    The British Labour Party have long been the enemy within. Hopefully more folk are realising that now.

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