Friday, 4 July 2014

THAT'S THE WAY TO WIN PEOPLE OVER... WITH FACTS, AT DEBATES

AND NOT WITH INSULTS AND PICTURES OF HITLER YOUTH

Thanks to Stewart Hosie for the info.

53 comments:

  1. Well, it's nice to see that my old school is still a centre for reason. I don't recall a single person I'd have described as a fascist when I attended.

    Any idea who the speakers were?

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    1. Douglas, here is the report from the school itself.

      http://www.hyndland-sec.glasgow.sch.uk/News/Story.aspx?SectionId=c01e35ba-97db-49eb-8493-ffba433eb827&StoryId=7278611e-60c7-4305-8c35-15bbe1de1499

      The debate was from the pupils themselves, but they were joined by Alan Bissett and Richard Sullivan, who is chairman of Glasgow Conservatives for No.

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  2. If it was Stewart and Lord Robertson again the result does not count!

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    1. Quite so... By the way, I was talking to my mum yesterday. She says she missed you too. And where's that bottle of Glenfiddich you owe her?

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    2. I think she means the whisky miniature which I won as first-prize in the UK wide Better together raffle. I'll be delivering it in person to share whilst you are out with the Guides.

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    3. Jings... you're all heart. I'll be out with the guides on Monday then...

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  3. My nephew and my niece's daughters were / are Hyndland Yessers.

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    1. Looks like ma good school. I've looked at the website. and I'm impressed.

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  4. I went to bed last night in a depressed state, no real idea why, could be that launching that monster did not sit well with me considering I handed in food for the Foodbank at Tesco yesterday. A wee bit better this morning, only a wee bit mind, after listening to mad Anne on Sky this morning wittering on about sending it to frighten the natives as per normal, really got my goat.

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    1. Sorry must be in a more depressed state than I thought, meant to say that the news from Hyndland cheered me up no end.

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    2. OK Helena... here's the deal.

      No more depression.

      Cameron can willie wave as much as he wants with his expensive toys.

      The good thing is that for all the carry on yesterday, the boat is useless.

      You'd have thought Britannia was ruling the waves instead of waving the rules.

      So ignore that. Let's concentrate on rescuing people for the disgusting poverty that the UK government has sunk them into, by winning this referendum against their lies.

      This is the kind of thing that cheers us up, and reinforces that if the BBC and the press were even handed, and the FACTs were known, the Yes side would walk it.

      OK? Big smiley face.
      :-)
      :~)
      :¬)

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    3. I went to bed last night in a depressed state, no real idea why, still after i went to the Foodbank at Tesco yesterday. and picked up nice parcel of food to tidy me over for another week...cant but wonder who are the kind people who keep me from starvation i surely would like to thank them .

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    4. Och Niko.I don't like to think of you being depressed.

      Is it that Mr Brownlie again?

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  5. We are on wur way Helena.

    Courage ma brave, courage.

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    1. Oui, on arrive...

      I see that WELSH/ENGLISH singer Petula Clark was involved for FRENCH Television from LEEDS, ENGLAND for the 'Grand Départ' of the 'Tour de FRANCE this morning, while that international socialist Ed Miliband was using his children to point out that Scots would become foreigners.

      How disappointed his father would be.

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  6. Helena, good to see that you've joined me in bringing some sanity, sense and decorum into a site full of the usual uncouth reprobrates that Tris has gathered on here.

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  7. Not sure I was John but feeling much better today, a bit brighter and less depressed. Did yo know me and Niko are like best buddies, so much he won't even speak to me. I am hoping I am terrifying him. Nice to see you back, as I said you were missed.

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    1. Niko's everybody's best friend Helena. Don't let him sweet talk you into believing you're the only one.... He says that to all the girls, and a lot of the boys too!! Not to mention the dogs!

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    2. Niko and I, oh I know I am just one of his fan club members, (not). Mind I would love him to meet Hektor, hopefully he will be wearing black, the dug has a peculiar hatred for that. For a wee, well not so wee Pug he is a warrior hence the name. Should have been Achilles we think, but too late.

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    3. LOl... Niko has a lovely dog, called Taz. Fortunately taz is on the YES side, and come the day will probably make Niko vote YES, on pain of being severely bitten...

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  8. tris

    And if the result was settled at Hyndland kiddie school ya would walk.
    But it aint and in the really real world things are looking a tad different.

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  9. Good result it just goes to show if you give people the info they see the light, re Stewart Hosie, he's an excellent orator, he would even make a good FM in an independent Scotland,as would Patrick Harvie. After the terribly grotesque photo's of your last post, this one is as good as a fluffy wee puppy.

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    1. Yep I rate Stewart. He's absolutely on top of his brief and he is a warm and amusing speaker. We could do worse than have him in the cabinet here.

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  10. Niko,

    It is not just Hyndland School. Whereever there is a debate the Nos - i.e. you or the don't know i.e you again, when ever the facts are put to them, clearly and consisely, vote for Yes.

    In the 4 or 5 years we've been corresponding you have blindly followed Labour in the vain hope that they will retain some principles but, sadly, for you and me and I suspect a lot more of us, they have no intention of doing so. Rather they are chasing a right-wing agenda in order to catch the UKIP/right wing vote.

    If they stated quite clearly that they were doing to adhere to the principles of the orrignal Labour party, instead of being a mere tory clone, there might be some redemption in sight. I cannot seee anyone in the Labour ranks who has the ability or the willingness to do so. Can't you? As it is Scottish voters are being increasingly turned off by the mealy-mouthed utterances of your leadshiop so a drastic change is necessary.

    Surely you, and other Labourites, must see that...

    When I've got time I'm going to blog about my time with Labour and you can then share my disappointment and disgust at the party.

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    1. Yes please, John.

      I'd like to read about that... and if you want I'd gladly have it on here as a guest post.

      Seriously, most people I know who are voting yes are to some degree socialists of the old school.

      They would vote Labour, or indeed did vote Labour, when Labour was a party that looked after the interests of the working person... and that's not just cloth caps... that's shop workers, office workers, nurses, firemen, teachers, etc etc...

      From people in their 80s (who actually remember a Labour party that brought them a health service, social security and universal education) to those who only know because their grandparents or great grandparents have told them about the difference that these things made to their lives. Like the fact that they could afford to see a doctor.

      I'd vote Labour in a heartbeat if that was what they were about today.

      That Labour wouldn't have voted for benefit caps. They wouldn't have brought in a tax on a spare bedroom unless there was a suitable place for people to move to. They'd be horrified by £9,000 fees for a year at uni. That's what toffs pay for a minor independent school.

      I know you were involved with them. I'd really be interested to know what happened.

      Please find time soon to share that with us.

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    1. That was always going to happen.

      It must have been one of Better Together No Thanks worst nightmares to have that lot join their side.

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    2. Question? Where did the violence come from. The Orange Order, now that is something I would walk 20 miles out of my way to avoid. They are disgusting. My first and only occasion of viewing one was in Stirling many many years ago, a horrible experience and one I wish to see discontinued. The fact that they support NO means I am on the right side.

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    3. Yes agreed. I'd be pretty ashamed to be on the same side as them for anything.

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  12. This is what waits the people of Glasgow in the future if a NO vote prevails in September.

    http://tinyurl.com/pq6kk4d

    Vote YES and we have a chance to outlaw these seriously deranged manics who think glassing a wee lassie is fun! MORONS!

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    1. Like I said. This must be Alistair Darling's worst nightmare and I'm sure he and all the other leaders on his side will utterly condemn them and tell them not to associate themselves with BTNT

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  13. Saturday/Sunday is not really a good time for Westminster/RED Tories/YELLOW Tories/BLUE Tories.

    http://tinyurl.com/n9o6rpx

    http://tinyurl.com/o4zosc4

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    1. The authorities that have protected these people for so long seem to be losing the battle.

      The fear is that some VERY VERY big names will be outed.

      If the secret service don't manage to shut people up...

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  14. tris says


    THAT'S THE WAY TO WIN PEOPLE OVER... WITH FACTS, AT DEBATES



    A Fact
    New poll: Yes 32%, No 46%, Don't Know 22%

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/new-poll-yes-32-no-46-dont-know-22.1404634503

    now debate

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    1. Niko, it's you guys that won;t debate. I've put my thoughts on line for as long as I've been writing this blog.


      All we were saying there was that when a debate takes place 90% of the time it is the Yes side that comes out winning.

      When people are just reading the papers or listening to the BBC they are fed lies.

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    2. There's stuill a lot of work to do. We can't let up now

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    3. Niko, we all know who run the polling companies, we all know how they work, or do not work. Too much fiddling to believe them I do not even believe those who have shown yes on the rise. One and only poll to believe and even then I am not sure, postal voting, Labour have a very bad record with postal votes and I dare say their colleagues in BT/No Tanks/UKOK will be happy with what ever they can do, Scotland WILL be independent one way or the other. You choose the method.

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  15. Be prepared for a massive capital flight as people transfer their ISAs and other assets to England if Scotland is forced to accept the euro as a condition of remaining the EU. English public opinion will never allow any currency union, some independence in the pockets of the EU commissars.

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    1. OK listen very carefully Anon.

      You cannot be forced to use the Euro...although technically as a new member you do sign up to do so at some point in the future.

      But, before you can use the Euro you have to fulfil all the conditions which are (following the mess that the € got in) in a two year programme of harmonisation.

      No one can force you to do that.

      Britian got an opt out because I think frankly no one wanted them in the € on the basis that they would demand everything be done THEIR way (ie corruptly).

      Sweden did not get an opt out, but has never joined the Euro. And I doubnt it ever will.

      Of course in the future, having been through its bad times, the Euro, a much better managed currency, will probably be a safe bet. Already international markets on even BBC world service, talk about dollars and euros, and never mention the pound, which, in the hands of the current government is a mess.

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    2. Is that before or after the alien invasion forecast by Lord Robertson?

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    3. Oh, I'm sure that will be going on all the time CH... it will start on day one...

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  16. tris

    Off topic but ?? made me weep tears er ! not they at least voted for it and now reap there just rewards


    "A l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants"

    "the Revolution devours its children" that for the others in the republic not so educated as you !!!

    They wanted Thatcherism well they got it (with some help from new labour i admit )
    they dont like it up them do they...ha ha blinking ha

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10947098/Middle-classes-forced-out-of-private-schools-as-fees-soar.html

    Private education is becoming “increasingly unaffordable” for the middle-classes following a four-fold rise in school fees in little over 20 years, according to a major study.

    Parents in traditionally well-paid careers such as accountancy, law, finance and academia are now less likely to afford an independent education than plumbers were in the early 90s, it emerged.

    In a report, it was claimed that the rise in school fees had outstripped wages by such an extent that private schools were increasingly becoming the preserve of super-rich foreigners.

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    1. Merci pour la traduction, Niko... :)

      Actually it's totally appropriate.

      When you let the forces of private business loose without control, they get out of hand. In fairness I would admit that the same could be said for other people...trade unionists who went on strike because of the quality of toilet rolls comes to mind, or the softness of the soap.

      But that is another thing.

      Here, as you point out, these people who own the schools will put up fees and take in whoever they can get... sons of princes from the Middle East, Russian billionaires and now Chinese ones, have infinitely more money than all but bankers and the royals (and some MPs...Mr Sarwar insists on private education for his lads, despite Mr Miliband not approving... but then Mr Blair, Harriet Harman...etc, )

      So, they have all but been priced out of the market... Dommage!

      But what will they do when Tessy puts her foot down and doesn't allow any foreigners into the country?

      They will have to go back begging to the lawyers and small businessmen. And what on earth will the middle classes do... after all they took their support away from state schools...

      Oh well, hell mend them. I trust that they realise that having privatised almost everything from prisons to schools and cancer treatment of young offenders probation officer, when the businesses that run these things put their prices up...

      Ho hum...

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    2. Unbelievable CH.

      The sadness is hard to bear. There is so little we can do but win this referendum for these people.

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  17. A wee story about the Orange Order.
    A work mate is very pro Yes. I told him I had lots of WoS Yes posters, and he asked for one for his window.
    His father and brother are active OO members and go on marches every year in Scotland and NO. I made a comment about his brother and father not being happy about him voting Yes. Oh they are voting Yes too, he said.
    Figure that one out!

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  18. No should read Northern Ireland. New phone and feck in predictive text. I haven't worked out how to turn it off yet. :-)

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    1. Ah.... new phones are the very devil...

      Yes, that is a mystery.

      I always think of the Lemon Order as being a bit of a boys' club for old guys that never actually grew up.

      I'm sure loads of them haven't much of a clue about what it stands for...

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  19. The bile and hatred that the unionists use every day amounted to that wee lassie getting glassed. They have no shame. How many more?

    When they realize they are losing the violence will get worse. The marches in Edinburgh will have to be policed well, I've seen those scum for myself , they enjoy the notoriety .

    Many are pissed at the council for allowing the march to go so near the ref date. This is a time when the city is packed with tourists. We must look like animals to them. What an advert to the UK.

    No wonder so many feel ashamed.

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    1. Aye Richy.

      It is shameful.

      This Lemon Order belongs away in the past, and they are chav thugs keeping it going...most of them know not what for.

      I'd love to put a few of them on the spot.

      With a bit of luck they will all piss off when we are independent, and take their foul bigotry with them.

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