The Union of Shop Distributive and Allied Workers has come out for NO. Here, in light face, are their reasons for doing so. My responses are in bold.
- Nationalists argue that an independent Scotland will continue to use the sterling as its currency. This means Scotland will be part of an economic Union with the rest of the UK over which it no longer has economic or political influence. Scotland will find itself in the same position as Greece, Portugal and Ireland, only instead of going cap in hand to Europe for help Scotland will be left to go cap in hand to the rest of the UK – the very same countries that an independent Scotland will have severed all social, political and cultural ties with.
Nonsense on so many levels. Sterling is Scotland’s currency as well as that on the rest of the UK; we have every right to use it. Scotland will not find itself in the same position as Greece, Portugal and Iceland. Why would you think that it would? Scotland will not need to go cap in hand to anyone. It will be the third richest country per capita in the EU. And Scotland will not have severed social ties or cultural ties with the rest of the UK. It will have severed most political ties, but we will continue to be in many international organisations including the EU, Nato and the UN together with the rest of the UK.
- An independent Scotland would need to reapply to join the European Union. There is uncertainty that Scotland's re-entry would be granted quickly, if at all, whilst there is absolute certainty, that an independent Scotland would be required to join the Euro as a condition of membership. (Source: Jose Manuel Barroso, President of the European Commission, 12 September 2012)
Barroso didn’t really say that at all, and many countries have already said that they look forward to welcoming Scotland if that is the Scot’s people’s will. The EU is an expansionist organisation. It started with 6 nations and it has grown and grown. Greenland, on getting self rule, wanted to leave the EU. It was a long and drawn out process. Scotland would not be required to join the Euro. Sweden hasn't; Croatia hasn’t. Why would Scotland? The Uk government could get a definitive answer on Scotland's future relationship with the EU, but for some reason refuses to do so, preferring doom and gloom instead. Mot EU expert agree that there is no reason when Scotland wouldn't be accepted almost immediately and certainly within the 18 months that the government has specified.
- Two-thirds of Scottish exports are to England, Wales and Northern Ireland. (Source: Scottish Government)
So? We import and export to countries all over the world and particularly in the EU. rUK will probably be in the EU, Scotland will be in the EU. What’s the problem?
- One in every five workers in Scotland is employed by English, Welsh and Northern Irish firms. (Source: HM Treasury)
There’s an awful lot of them employed by American, French, German, Chinese, Japanese companies. They still get paid. Where's your problem. You are beginning to sound like the BNP.
- 31,000 Scottish Civil Servants work for UK wide Government departments. Like those based in Glasgow and responsible for the operation of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme for the whole of the UK. (Source: HMG Departmental Employment Statistics)
So, do you not think that we will require having a criminal injuries compensation scheme here, and there are civil service jobs in England and Wales that we will need to fill. It should be a big boost to employment.
- The future of Scottish Banks was secured with a £470 billion bailout from taxpayers across the UK. (Source: Scottish Parliament Information Centre and National Audit Office)
For god’s sake. This is pathetic.Scottish and English and UK banks were also bailed out by the American government and many others because a country cannot possibly be responsible for what its banks do when they are being regulated by a foreign government’s regulators. The UK government regulators allowed the British banks (and they are international even if they have Scotland in their name. RBS is Nat West and HBOS stands for HALIFAX Bank of Scotland) to run riot lending to people who could never pay it back, bundling up securities and a million other things that even THEY didn't understand. That's why they had to fork out. If the FSA had done its job there would have been a lot less debt. Stop the lies about it all being down to Britain. If Britain had had to bail these people out, then it would have sunk without a trace.
- 800,000 Scots live and work in England and Wales without the need for papers or passports. (Source: General Registrar Office for Scotland)
Are you remembering that NI is a part of the UK? I used to work in France; my friend Stanislav used to work in Bulgaria, because he is Bulgarian; my friend Daní used to work in Hungary, because he is Hungarian; my friend Uta used to work in Germany, because she is German. Try to pull yourself into the 21st century. How many Irish people work in Ulster and the opposite. My friends in Ulster go shopping in Eire because some things are cheaper. The world has changed. Borders aren't a big deal. Island mentalities!
- Being part of the UK ensures a seat at the UN's top table alongside Russia, China and America. (The UK is a permanent member of the UN Security Council.)
Wow. And what exactly does that do for us? Does it feed the poor? No. Does it fix the potholes? No. What it does is means that when the USA says jump, the UK jumps, because if the USA decided tomorrow that we were no bloody use to them, we, and France would be removed. France and the UK are two small powers which used to have empires and now have debts and deprivation. We would be far better out of the PMUNSC.
- The pensions of 1 million Scots are guaranteed by the UK welfare system. (Source: DWP)
No it’s not. The pension money, which we have paid, has been squandered on wars and nuclear weapons of mass destruction. There isn't a penny piece. Current taxes have to pay for pensions, which is why the Uk government is putting the pension age up and up. Never mind that people are often unemployable after 60. They will soon have to work, or beg for social security from Iain Duncan Smith. Scotland has a far better chance of being able to pay these pensions. Just as it has a far greater chance of being able to keep the lights on. Where did you get this guff?
- Scottish Taxpayers contribute £53 billion to the Treasury's Tax Bill annually. Scotland receives £63 billion of the UK's overall spending. (Source: Scottish Government spending figures, GERS)
Haven’t a clue where you got that from, but the truth is that Scotland has been subsidising the rest of the Uk for years. Secondly, the Barnett formula which gives back Scotland a slightly larger share of what it pays in will almost certainly be scrapped. Labour wants to get rid of it, and if the threat of independence goes, then, just like in 1979, we will start to feel the wrath of the London elite. The Barnett formula will go, and our money will be reduced. We will be obliged to sell of our health service to the highest bidders as the English are doing; we will have to stop looking after our elderly, we will lose our cherished free education, a monumental blunder, and we will be obliged to sell off our water, so that people can make a profit out of what falls from the skies. In short we will have to accept that we will live in a right wing non democratic country with an hereditary monarch, a house of unelected aristocrats, and a parliament consisting of right wingers chosen largely by the people of the South East of England, where nearly half the population lives. Everything that can be, will be privatised and we all know how well that works for ordinary people, don’t we. Still the Chinese will build us a nuclear power station, so maybe we won't freeze to death.
That a trades union could support this kind of thing is beyond all belief. I wonder if they asked their members to vote on this?