tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post91003002951952521..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: EUROPE REARS ITS UGLY HEAD WITHIN TORY RANKS...AGAINMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-7249734706381287412011-10-22T23:35:37.004+01:002011-10-22T23:35:37.004+01:00Cheers CH.
I see the recommendation:
"By &#...Cheers CH.<br /><br />I see the recommendation:<br /><br />"By 'eck it's strong stuff"<br /><br />LOL<br /><br />Anyway, thanks....<br /><br />I'll send the lower downstairs footman to Asda!!<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-72088310066445119692011-10-22T22:05:27.272+01:002011-10-22T22:05:27.272+01:00Tris I take it neat from the bottle when flu strik...<a href="http://www.covonia.co.uk/range/covonia.cfm?ccs=78&cs=54" rel="nofollow">Tris</a> I take it neat from the bottle when flu strikes.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-29943057610919482012011-10-22T20:47:05.645+01:002011-10-22T20:47:05.645+01:00Dean..
I'll give you a few questions and woul...Dean..<br /><br />I'll give you a few questions and would appreciate it if you wouldn't reply with a question or a diversion.<br /><br />1. The EU accounts haven't been signed off for 15 years. Do you think an investigation should be carried out to root out the fraud ? <br /><br />2. How do we get rid of Barroso if we think he's doing a poor job ? Ditto Von Rumpey, Ashton , Kinnock's etc<br /><br />3. Our 3 'leaders' all promised a referendum on an EU in or out vote. Do you think it's right that they are now having a 3 line whip to make their MPs vote against this motion on Monday ?<br />Bearing in mind that many MPs got elected on their commitment to a referendum.<br /><br />4. Do you think it's right that commissioners in the EU get their job as a thank you from their respective leaders rather than being elected ? bearing in mind the power they have to affect all of our lives.<br /><br />5. Do you agree with the formation of an EU Armed Forces, Foreign Service, Poice service and Coastguard service ? If you do will it undermine the sovereignty of the UK ?<br /><br />6. Is the Queen still our Sovereign after having allowed powers to be given to the EU via the Lisbon Treaty that undermine her Sovereignty ( ECHR, ECJ, EU Armed Forces accountable to the EU rather than the UK Crown etc)Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62751029830701587282011-10-22T20:08:20.850+01:002011-10-22T20:08:20.850+01:00What questions? Ask them and I will answer them di...What questions? Ask them and I will answer them directly. No insults about brainwashing etc, be polite.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10862849105002326902011-10-22T18:10:02.689+01:002011-10-22T18:10:02.689+01:00I'm sure it's perfectly legal.
Any chance...I'm sure it's perfectly legal. <br />Any chance of ever answering any questions though ?. Without ranting ?Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39091675737073692762011-10-22T18:04:13.395+01:002011-10-22T18:04:13.395+01:00I did a degree studying EU policy mechanisms. Perf...I did a degree studying EU policy mechanisms. Perfectly reputable.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-65813784168544637962011-10-22T18:00:52.886+01:002011-10-22T18:00:52.886+01:00I thought you said you did a degree in EUology ? I...I thought you said you did a degree in EUology ? I doubt if you would have passed if you had highlighted the corruption and totalitarian nature of the project.<br />This brainwashing means you refuse to answer any questions put to you and go off on some 'little englander' rant. Classic brainwashing results.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-43499468299397727552011-10-22T16:44:46.562+01:002011-10-22T16:44:46.562+01:00You say brainwashed, but by who exactly? Assertion...You say brainwashed, but by who exactly? Assertions like that really make you appear absurd.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-360137592552358032011-10-22T16:05:03.118+01:002011-10-22T16:05:03.118+01:00Yes you keep mentioning this transparency but you&...Yes you keep mentioning this transparency but you've just been brainwashed by your instructors. We pay in £15Bn a year yet we have no idea where the money goes. The accounts haven't been signed off for 15 years. They can publish the latest fishing catches and tractor production online all they like but it's just smoke and mirror to cover up the corruption.<br />from The Daily Torygraph..<br /><br /><br />"Every public company in the EU must present its annual balance sheet according to strict rules, yet the EU itself produces accounts that break all the rules it imposes on everyone else. They don't use double-entry bookkeeping; tens of billions of euros float in and out of the books without explanation, and year after year the EU's Court of Auditors refuses to approve the accounts, because they are riddled with "material errors" and "irregularities".<br /><br />Anyone who dares question this shambles is treated with the same disdain as the small boy was when he first pointed out that the emperor was wearing no clothes. The most famous such whistleblower was Marta Andreasen who, after the corruption scandal that forced the resignation of the entire European Commission in 1999, was made the EU's Chief Accountant. She was the first accountant in the post (her predecessors included an architect and an engineer) and she was so appalled by what she found that she refused to sign the accounts.<br /><br />Her reward was to be suspended, within weeks, by way of a fax from Neil Kinnock, then the commission's vice-president in charge of cleaning up its affairs. Last summer she was among those invited to give evidence to a House of Lords committee on "the management and audit of EC expenditure accounts". She was politely tolerated by a largely Europhile committee, then Lord Kinnock appeared before them to dismiss everything she had said. His picture was so distorted that Mrs Andreasen had to send the committee a whole series of factual corrections"<br /><br />And who voted for Neil Kinnock ?<br />Someone paid hundreds of thousands to blow hot air and cover up corruption.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-7223652189506656252011-10-22T15:52:25.053+01:002011-10-22T15:52:25.053+01:00The EU is the most transparent institution of gove...The EU is the most transparent institution of governance in Europe. Every policy paper, every official document, every strategy working paper, every recorded meeting - published online on their website.<br /><br />I don't see the secrecy-obsessed Westminster publishing all their policy papers ... lobbyists not even registered in the UK ... but they are in the EU.<br /><br />I call that a heck lot more transparent and open than Westmonster... sorry, Westmidden ...Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10038097653903027532011-10-22T15:18:42.675+01:002011-10-22T15:18:42.675+01:00Dean..
We can vote out the MPs at Troughminster.
W...Dean..<br />We can vote out the MPs at Troughminster.<br />Who voted for Barosso ? Who is he accountable to ? How can we get rid of him ?<br /><br />Totalitarianism...<br /><br /><br />" An official ideology to which general adherence was demanded, <br />Central control and direction of the entire economy "<br /><br />I doubt if I'm a lone wolf. UKIP got a million votes at the last election and stopped cast iron from getting an overall majority. Plus about a hundred tolies are planning to vote for a referendum on the EU on Monday. Cast Iron changed his mind about an EU refrendum as soon as he got into No10 and is anti democratic. Same for Nick Clegg who hurriedly took down his petition for a referendum on Friday having forgotten about his pledge for a referendum to 'give the people a voice for the first time in 50 years'Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-21565657849928398542011-10-22T15:01:20.859+01:002011-10-22T15:01:20.859+01:00I see that worked then :)I see that worked then :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-5337494520116045772011-10-22T13:17:58.052+01:002011-10-22T13:17:58.052+01:00Plus, on the corruption aspect - the EU institutio...Plus, on the corruption aspect - the EU institutions do suffer from corruption problems. I totally accept this, but what your saying is silly.<br /><br />Take it this way, 1. Westminster expenses scandal reveals parliament is 'corrupt' , your solution seems to be 2. Abandon the Union with England.<br /><br />Rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater I suggest we reform, not destroy. I believe in lifting the people up, by giving them the tools to regulate and control global capitalism.<br /><br />Let us work together, not pull apart. You are a lone wolf, howling at the winds of progress. You have no currency at all, only bitterness and hate.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-17646659067720436252011-10-22T13:14:55.860+01:002011-10-22T13:14:55.860+01:00Monty
The Constitutional Treaty would have greatl...Monty<br /><br />The Constitutional Treaty would have greatly enhanced the powers of the European Parliament. Thankfully President Barosso has managed to secure the Lisbon Treaty, which has boosted the parliaments authorities.<br /><br />I'd call that the opposite of totalitarianism. But don't let facts get in the way of your Euro-hating.<br /><br />:)Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-69160084300031477282011-10-22T12:09:38.804+01:002011-10-22T12:09:38.804+01:00Come guys, play nice. Tris has a virus and doesn&#...Come guys, play nice. Tris has a virus and doesn't have the physical or the intellectual energy (who said he never did have) to moderate a fight.<br /><br />It's bad enough missing Eck without hair and feathers flying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-67465838506035143702011-10-22T11:59:47.335+01:002011-10-22T11:59:47.335+01:00"except europhobic idiots blocked its ratific..."except europhobic idiots blocked its ratification."<br /><br />You mean the French and Dutch voters who stopped it in a referendum ? Good old democracy. Horrible to you totalitarians isn't it ?<br />But as you know the Lisbon Treaty is essentially the same thing and the voters were ignored.<br />According to the European Scrutiny Committee report ...<br /><br />"The EU treaty is "substantially equivalent" to the EU Constitution thrown out by Dutch and French voters in 2005, MPs have said." There are sacred 'red lines' but there is no opt out to force a referendum if they're broken as well.<br />We should have had a referendum but were denied by Gordon.<br />Now we're being denied a referendum on getting out of the Rumpey totalitarian state by Dave backed by Nick and backed by Ed.<br />Oh and to think that the 'Constitution' would have stopped the billions of pounds of corruption confirms your total brainwash is complete. You will make a good European drone. The people doing the corruption are running the show.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-34353505508184710662011-10-22T11:33:27.536+01:002011-10-22T11:33:27.536+01:00I would love reform to clean up some of the corrup...I would love reform to clean up some of the corruption in the system. But the Constitutional Treaty would have helped do that, except europhobic idiots blocked its ratification.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39540309711345840742011-10-22T09:50:22.204+01:002011-10-22T09:50:22.204+01:00Yes, I agree with that Dean. I've always felt ...Yes, I agree with that Dean. I've always felt that the EU guarded against the worst ravages of the natural right wing agenda of England, and in particular of the South East of England, with over half the population of the UK.<br /><br />The political direction of the EU is far more in tune to the left of centre Scottish brand of politics.<br /><br />What I meant by in practice was the massive overpaid bureaucracy of Brussels, Luxembourg and Strasbourg (including this idiotic division of the parliament between two locations!).<br /><br />I'd have thought even the most ardent admirer of the EU project would be against the greed and cheating that goes on there, probably every bit as bad as Westminster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-25340306721138963872011-10-22T09:26:40.104+01:002011-10-22T09:26:40.104+01:00The EU isn't 'bad in practice'. The EU...The EU isn't 'bad in practice'. The EU has led ahead of Britain in so many areas, lets talk social policy.<br /><br />The EU social agenda will enhance workers protections far in advance of what the native Tories and Labourites would have allowed.<br /><br />Long live our Common European destiny.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15770435913649406832011-10-21T13:58:15.763+01:002011-10-21T13:58:15.763+01:00Well, yes, Monty. We should do that.
We both have...Well, yes, Monty. We should do that.<br /><br />We both have points in our favour; we just see the outcome differently.<br /><br />Well, well, so the Liberals' Winston Smith has been busy rewriting the Lib Dem Manifesto overnight. <br /><br />I hope he was excused physical exercises this morning before his Victory coffee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-44627690809387306452011-10-21T13:45:08.568+01:002011-10-21T13:45:08.568+01:00We'll agree to disagree about the EU tris. But...We'll agree to disagree about the EU tris. But imagine if we hadn't given away all of our fishing rights ( £100Bn ) and our jobs etc to the EU.<br />Billions to spend on Scotland instead.<br /><br />Yes the LimpDems had a campaign for an in/out referendum in the run up to the last election. It was still on their website up to a few hours ago..<br /><br />http://order-order.com/2011/10/20/official-libdem-inout-petition-site-still-live/<br /><br />But like all pledges from Limp Dems they are just lies.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-65941945996197733982011-10-21T12:38:14.569+01:002011-10-21T12:38:14.569+01:00Monty: I think that that is rather unfair. Dean ha...Monty: I think that that is rather unfair. Dean has only recently had a revision of his thinking and, certainly without approval from the state or the Tory Party, has started taking a much more (in my opinion) sensible line.<br /><br />The EU has its good points. There is a lot of funding form projects in Scotland that would NEVER come from the UK government. I worked for a project that taught language skills to people from areas considered to be poor. They were identified by post codes and funded by the Social Inclusion Partnership (as it was then called).<br /><br />With that funding we covered 4 areas of multiple deprevation in Dundee. We applied for and got, matched funding for the EU, and were amazed to find that by European standards, 3/4 of Dundee was covered. Our project was able to reach maybe 4 times as many people. <br /><br />And that's just one example. The Scottish Labour/Libberal government was not prepared to fund it to the extent the EU was. It brought money and jobs into the city that would not have been here otherwise. And created a more jobready workforce for one of Dundee's prime economic targets: tourism.<br /><br />Yes the UK's contribution more than pays for that, but the UK government has better things to spend its money on than projects for the poor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-36253032745127109502011-10-21T12:28:04.503+01:002011-10-21T12:28:04.503+01:00Sorry, that was in reply to Munguin. I'm not a...Sorry, that was in reply to Munguin. I'm not at my brightest today. In bed with a virus and missing our conference. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-26698551550849049882011-10-21T12:26:59.080+01:002011-10-21T12:26:59.080+01:00Maybe that's one of the reasons that despite a...Maybe that's one of the reasons that despite all the 'anti' rhetoric, our PMs go on and on saying YES YES YES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-87715694213453268032011-10-21T12:25:37.127+01:002011-10-21T12:25:37.127+01:00John:
You should simply never consult with my mum...John:<br /><br />You should simply never consult with my mum or Niko. It's dangerous and may lead to loss of memory, and a sense of unreality.<br /><br />Ouch... <br /><br />The men in white coats are the butchers in that Tesco you guys have just got yourselves. Pay attention, or take more of that beautiful pure water with it. (I'd get the lamb cutlets if I were you mmmmm parfait!)<br /><br />But you're right. EU: Good in theory; bad in practice. But it's only greedy incompetents that are to blame for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com