tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post638378411991570876..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ...?Munguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-21975222949606552892011-12-25T19:10:15.006+00:002011-12-25T19:10:15.006+00:00Hey Wolfie... Same to you... :)Hey Wolfie... Same to you... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23425488699075585152011-12-25T16:32:04.100+00:002011-12-25T16:32:04.100+00:00Saving the best until last
Merry Xmas to all on h...Saving the best until last<br /><br />Merry Xmas to all on here and beyond.<br /><br /> p.s. the OnionistsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39508844629021650292011-12-25T10:38:44.746+00:002011-12-25T10:38:44.746+00:00Hmmm. The pudding's not looking too terribly t...Hmmm. The pudding's not looking too terribly tasty right now, Dean.<br /><br />I think, by the way, that you would never be in the least like Claire Short!!! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-49664570513892582602011-12-25T01:27:11.664+00:002011-12-25T01:27:11.664+00:00I said at the time, given the full facts, that I s...I said at the time, given the full facts, that I supported the war in Iraq.<br /><br />It would be wrong for me to backtrack like some pathetic Claire Short. So I remain, it was right, logical and legal.<br /><br />The proof will be in the pudding.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-35457751914085212662011-12-25T00:47:11.018+00:002011-12-25T00:47:11.018+00:00Happy Hols to you CH....Happy Hols to you CH....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68689815388430987922011-12-24T22:25:07.541+00:002011-12-24T22:25:07.541+00:00OOH like William Wallace and can I have a bone for...OOH like William Wallace and can I have a bone for the dog please.<br /><br />Happy hols to all.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68811629213493194242011-12-24T21:25:43.541+00:002011-12-24T21:25:43.541+00:00Yes Niko. You're right. Now, you stay warm, ta...Yes Niko. You're right. Now, you stay warm, take the tablets that that nice doctor gave you, and don't go out until the fever abates... <br /><br />Then we'll get you sectioned!!!!<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-32912630838497219312011-12-24T14:37:13.474+00:002011-12-24T14:37:13.474+00:00yeah must be something wrong with Democracy when i...yeah must be something wrong with Democracy when it leads to a xenophobic tyrannical dictator such as Alex salmond being allowed to walk the streets of a Nation.<br /><br />Elected by 15% of the people.Nikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-7139426661843962012011-12-24T11:19:35.538+00:002011-12-24T11:19:35.538+00:00Well, nothing except America CH. I doubt that Obam...Well, nothing except America CH. I doubt that Obama wants another war now that he's just got out of Iraq and fulfilled a pledge. <br /><br />Of course, he doesn't like their odious PM (who does?) but it's not up to him, even if it's up to him. Especially at this time of election year...<br /><br />Very complex.<br /><br />His advantage is that the Republicans will have to come out in favour of supporting Israel; the 'ordinary' people won't be overly keen on another war, even if the moneymen are.<br /><br />Still nothing will stop Nyetty if that is what he wants to do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-63315256371711729852011-12-23T21:34:59.833+00:002011-12-23T21:34:59.833+00:00US out of Iraq nothing to stop Israel attacking Ir...US out of Iraq nothing to stop Israel attacking Iran now at their leisure.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-63531857206728609262011-12-23T20:56:32.489+00:002011-12-23T20:56:32.489+00:00Not impossible Monty.
You never know with superpo...Not impossible Monty.<br /><br />You never know with superpowers or the UK.<br /><br />Whatever is going on, I hope the idiot Cameron has the good sense to avoid involvement, even if it would win him brownie points with Mr Obama.<br /><br />I do remember Cameron saying that the reason we had to intervene in Libya was that we couldn't allow a dictator to kill his own people, yet nothing has been done about Syria, where a dictator is killing his own people, and Cameron played host a couple of weeks ago to His Majesty King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa...that was the one who is a dictator and who was killing his own people, with the help of Saudi Arabia, only a few months ago.<br /><br />Hypocrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-36176902692729848012011-12-23T16:17:36.359+00:002011-12-23T16:17:36.359+00:00I doubt if it was regime change they wanted in Ira...I doubt if it was regime change they wanted in Iraq tris. The next leader is just the same as the last and will be our pal or not depending on Western strategic interests - Syria and Bahrain free to murder as many as they want at the moment etc.<br />It was the destruction of Iraq that was required and that's what was done. Libya was regime change though rather than total destruction of government and essential infrastructure.<br />Do you think the hasty retreat from Iraq by the US signals a shooting match between Israel and Iran ? The US troops would have gotten in the way being piggy in the middle in Iraq and were the only hindrance to the next stage of the perpetual war.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-63682163051532173312011-12-23T16:14:21.169+00:002011-12-23T16:14:21.169+00:00Therein lies the spirit of the true revolutionary....Therein lies the spirit of the true revolutionary...hold onto that thought and treasure it...for the time is I believe not too far off where we will be coerced into saying exactly those things...though I doubt we will have to say them about Camergoon which is some relief!nominedeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06880828700080164569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-72215459932369227922011-12-23T15:07:54.082+00:002011-12-23T15:07:54.082+00:00Yes, I've said that many time. You might add i...Yes, I've said that many time. You might add in the House of Aristos, bishops and placemen and nearly dead old politicians.<br /><br />And of course there is the fact that Scotland is being run (from Westminster) by people that very few of us voted for and most of us dislike intensely. plus the European Union which has a parliament, much more fairly elected than Westminster, but, at the same time not very powerful.<br /><br />It is our prime Minister, and that of other states who appoints the really important people. So, it's a bit like the house of lords.<br /><br />No democracy here, or precious little.<br /><br />Still I'm grateful for the fact that I can say that I hate David Cameron and all he stands for, without fear that I will; be tortured till I say he's lovely and clever and perfect in every way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-86284905669341035692011-12-23T14:36:37.753+00:002011-12-23T14:36:37.753+00:00Democracy tris?...since when did we have a 'de...Democracy tris?...since when did we have a 'democracy' here, or the Americans over there...our so caled democracy is a farce and always has been, the lapdog of the monarchy through the controlling power of the 'Crown' in the CofL. FPTP and a mandate on less than (being generous) a third of the available vote, plus 3 line whips to keep the party line in place...Democracy...don't make me laugh, never having had one how the hell can any of our so called politicians go anywhere and teach anyone what they need to know to attain 'Democracy'...to them (the politicians) DEMOCRACY IS THE BIGGEST STICK! then do what we tell you...nominedeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06880828700080164569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-84936295853193304102011-12-23T10:06:09.120+00:002011-12-23T10:06:09.120+00:00Tris,
It's the only Xmas present you'll g...Tris,<br /><br />It's the only Xmas present you'll get off me.<br /><br />Looking at what happened in the USA from a historical viewpoint it's quite interesting. [If you haven't seen the movie: 'JFK' then I would recommend it as the writer managed to pull together a lot of loose string.] What happened in the USA was a right-wing coup d'tat which could only have happened if JFK was 'out of the way'.<br />However, if you put that in the context of the time and the height of the 'cold war', you have to wonder just how much the west [mostly in Europe] was used as a pawn in the great game between the USA and the USSR. France seemed to be the only one who told both of them to go and take a running jump, but they had their own reasons for doing that. [De Gaulle never forgave the 3 leaders after being refused a seat at the Yalta conference] When you add the coup d'tat in the UK you either see a right wing take over of the west or we see the west fighting back against the communists; I suspect it may be a combination of the two.<br />Anyway, it was a fascinating time to live through especially when we didn't know if, one day, we were all going to be nuked.Gedguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217515188959770657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-90510897883313682622011-12-23T09:41:25.341+00:002011-12-23T09:41:25.341+00:00Thanks Gedguy. Not often that happens!!!Thanks Gedguy. Not often that happens!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-2012702353598622322011-12-23T09:39:09.789+00:002011-12-23T09:39:09.789+00:00Tris,
"Democracy is like Communism. It can&#...Tris,<br /><br />"Democracy is like Communism. It can't really exist because human nature doesn't allow it to exist."<br /><br />You are so right.Gedguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217515188959770657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-25370471225818587972011-12-23T09:31:35.431+00:002011-12-23T09:31:35.431+00:00I'm not expert enough to know how corrupt the ...I'm not expert enough to know how corrupt the Bush regime was Gedguy (although I know someone who is...Danny?)<br /><br />It does look like a set up. When power moves from father to son (Syria, North Korea, America albeit with a democrat between them) it always seems corrupt to me.<br /><br />Specially if the son is as dumb as a stump.<br /><br />Mind you, the shift from Blair to brown was corrupt to. No election, either in the country, or the party. Just Brown getting his way after all these years. <br /><br />But yes, oil and strategic positioning. WMDs... nah, even Bush wasn't that stupid. They didn't believe the photoshopped pictures or the kiddies PhD thesis, with the rubbed out professorial comments!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-14074078970363812992011-12-23T09:26:23.722+00:002011-12-23T09:26:23.722+00:00No Monty. I knew from day one that there would be ...No Monty. I knew from day one that there would be no democracy in Iraq.<br /><br />Democracy is like Communism. It can't really exist because human nature doesn't allow it to exist.<br /><br />Giving everyone a real, rather than cosmetic, say in running the country is impossible and "to each according to his needs; from each according to his ability" sounds wonderful, but is, of course, a pie in the sky dream.<br /><br />To each according to their ability to grab; from each according to how much they are able to hide in offshore accounts!<br /><br />Anyway, I ramble. But no, I didn't expect it. I just wish that people like Hague, who along with the then leader, Something of the Night Howard, was frothing at the mouth for showing Johnny Foreigner who was boss would learn from this. <br /><br />Despite the fact that Saddam had promised that he had destroyed the WMDs that we sold him, in we went killing indiscriminately for no reason, with no international approval. Shock and Awe caused tens of thousands of deaths and blew arms and legs of babies and children. <br /><br />And still we wonder why the Islamic world hates us. Imagine one of their countries, with no international backing did this to London?<br /><br />What I could never understand was, as the Iraq government was forewarned of the attack, and as, in theory, all we wanted was Saddam and his family and close advisors, how come Bramerica was stupid enough to bomb Baghdad? He was bound to be sitting there waiting for it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-81790480160173742002011-12-23T08:07:19.935+00:002011-12-23T08:07:19.935+00:00Every right thinking human being on earth knew thi...Every right thinking human being on earth knew this was a grab for the oil reserves and had nothing to do with WMDs or even democracy. Bush, and his father, were/are oil men and, I don't what it is about Texans who want take control of the country by hook or by crook [LB Johnson's coup d'tat after the assassination of JFK], Bush Jnr ensuring his brother 'took' Florida to enable him to become president which just goes to show that these men are ruthless.<br />I have always imagined that if you want to take over a country that you don't like then the best way is to have a 'pincer' movement; I am talking about Iran. The Americans are in Afghanistan and used to be next door in Iraq. The Americans could have hit them from the east and west at the same time. I think Obama stopped this. Only time will tell if he was right or wrong.Gedguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18217515188959770657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-9738376426950156432011-12-23T00:58:03.043+00:002011-12-23T00:58:03.043+00:00Ha ha I see you think we wanted democracy in Iraq ...Ha ha I see you think we wanted democracy in Iraq tris.<br />Chaos is fine. Unstable backward thinking Islamic countries in the middle east and north Africa pose no threat to the West and are easily corrupted, provide us with cheap oil and will never move forward technoligically. Islam forbids advances in science etc. Perfect.<br />Oh and they give us a good staging post for security free excursions elsewhere in the area.<br />See.. KSA, Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait,Afghanistan, Tunisia, Egypt, Uzbekhistan et al.Montynoreply@blogger.com