tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post3440716461420789674..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: THE ONE PARTY STATEMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-83825042126014418302015-10-14T09:28:32.867+01:002015-10-14T09:28:32.867+01:00Good answer, Douglas.Good answer, Douglas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-52352286072254554452015-10-14T07:07:09.468+01:002015-10-14T07:07:09.468+01:00That's an interesting queston. If you look at ...That's an interesting queston. If you look at the settled will of the general public in the UK over, what, the last hundred years it looks like an individual suffering from bi-polar disorder.<br /><br />"a mental condition marked by alternating periods of elation and depression."<br /><br />Remember Thatchers' TINA?<br /><br />Well, at a political level there always was an alternative, at least in labelling, if not in content. Quite what there is to choose between Labour and the Tories isn't really very obvious to me any more. Y'know, manifesto-wise.<br /><br />I think this describes what I think has happened:<br /><br />“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” <br /><br />Bloody Orwell, right again! <br /><br />douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-51860563878515525232015-10-14T06:16:21.877+01:002015-10-14T06:16:21.877+01:00"But the SNP's track record on defence is..."But the SNP's track record on defence is at times frankly bollocks. They were against NATO membership, only pushing it through because they damn well knew if they remained against NATO, they would have been slaughtered in the referendum."<br /><br />Your kidding right?<br />tell me your kidding?<br />your telling me that THE MOST important question on peoples minds on the doorsteps before the referendum was "whats the SNP policy on NATO membership<br />delusional simply delusional!<br />jdmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-14427087429155047162015-10-14T06:11:11.716+01:002015-10-14T06:11:11.716+01:00"I really wish people would stop making the a..."I really wish people would stop making the assumption that any criticism of the SNP means the poster is either (a) a unionist or (b) a Tory lover. I'm neither."<br /><br />Then stop making the facile assumption that an independent Scotland would be left naked and defenseless by an SNP government, who's to say we wouldnt (Lord have mercy on our souls) have a Labour government?<br /><br /><br />"I have no doubt that under independence we would have effective armed forces, but the messages that have come from the SNP in the past have been anything but consistent."<br /><br />The SNP harbours people of differing opinions, quelle surprise<br /><br />Now heres a thing<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_TSR-2<br />you really don't have to dig very deep to find a chaotic defence policy from all sides who in the past fifty years have wasted a staggering sum of taxpayers money for absolutely no return<br /><br />The fact is Zog the only reason the unionists want to keep us (as if we didnt know) we're a convenient far enough away place to site their unmentionables so they don't spook the people who REALLY matter and of course the odd 3 billion to add to their little staff Christmas party funds (glug glug glug) always comes in handy,<br /><br />Please dont criticize the SNP policy (which they have not had the opportunity to prove adept at or otherwise) when the car crash that is the defence policy of the current and previous Westminster governments (which are a matter of public record) of all stripe have been a total shambles,<br />If North Korea had the amount of money to spend on their military that the Westminster lot have wasted for absolutely no gain they would the most powerful country on Earth, so lets not get into a "SNP BAD"discussion when they haven't even left the starting blocks!<br />jdman<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-5328927806867180482015-10-13T22:16:55.934+01:002015-10-13T22:16:55.934+01:00Umm are you lot on about Democracy or Majoritarian...Umm are you lot on about Democracy or Majoritarianism/ocholocracy that is the question<br />some would call it Tyranny <br /><br />A majority a majority my freedom for a majorityNikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-50917216376198893522015-10-13T21:15:13.922+01:002015-10-13T21:15:13.922+01:00The only ways it can change is, I suppose, a bit l...The only ways it can change is, I suppose, a bit like the English changed after 18 years of the Tories<br /><br />They voted Labour, but only because they were sick to death of the Tories, and Labour had promised to be the Tories by another name.<br /><br />Scottish Labour will have to steal the SNP's clothes, and they HATE them too much to do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-18986455586092273242015-10-13T20:55:17.939+01:002015-10-13T20:55:17.939+01:00tris,
They seem to think that it is only right th...tris,<br /><br /><i>They seem to think that it is only right that they get their turn, no matter how incredibly poor quality they are.</i><br /><br />Too true.<br /><br />I would, perhaps, argue that we have had no 'one nation' politician since MacMillan. I think he did believe that. Everyone else since then has been divisive, one way or another, and has led to the breakdown.<br /><br />For breakdown it is.<br /><br />There is no way for SNP voters to go back, it is like a ratchet.<br /><br />A ratchet moves in one direction only. It tightens.<br /><br />So.<br /><br />Given a democratic state, we will win, not because we are a <b>One Party State</b>, but because it is inevitable.<br /><br />It would be so, if this was, in fact, a democracy.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing.<br /><br /><br /><br />douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10977180484593677952015-10-13T20:25:36.253+01:002015-10-13T20:25:36.253+01:00They seem to think that it is only right that they...They seem to think that it is only right that they get their turn, no matter how incredibly poor quality they are.<br /><br />And yes, the unelected who seem to think that they were once great statesmen, even if they held the most junior possible position in the cabinet, are a real pain.<br /><br />Once aupon a time the PM and maybe the Foreign Sec got Earldoms when they retired. Scottish Secretaries and their like got an OBE or nothing.<br /><br />Still it's one way to get them to hold their tongues over stuff they MUST know about. I just wish they didn't think it made them experts. Most of them were out of touch with people before they became aristos. Now of course, they are plain gaga.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-334452441854522312015-10-13T20:02:51.634+01:002015-10-13T20:02:51.634+01:00There are numerous 'democratic' states whe...There are numerous 'democratic' states where a government has remained in power for long periods of time. When the transition from that party to another party is peaceful, democratic and the people recognise the legitimacy of the election just passed, there is rarely a lot of trouble.<br /><br />Can I mention the fall of John Major? His party had ruled, atrociously, your mileage may vary, for 18 years. A one party state up and until it's demise.<br /><br />I recall removal vans, not revolution. This is not atypical.<br /><br />____________________________________<br /><br />However, the following refers to the SNP.<br /><br />This <b> "One Party State" </b> acted like no other in history. The victors rioted, whilst the <b> "One Party State" </b> accepted the will of the people, and has said that, until that will alters, that things will remain as they are. We will keep a weather eye open for a change in a viewpoint, but we will try to work within the Westminster framework meantime, as that is the mandate they, the SNP, have been allowed by the electorate. Bastards acting democratically! <br /><br />I completely hate it when clapped out politicians tell me, after the electorate rejects them, and their frigging party then elevates (? there has to be a more realistic word "retires" perhaps ?) them to the ermine benches that they are worth listening to.<br /><br />My only new thought about conservatives is that, as the nuclear bombs fall down on my bit of this planet, they will whisper in my ear:<br /><br />"But, apart from this, SHE, was right."<br /><br />Mad Men.<br /><br />And.<br /><br />Ruth Davidson straddling a tank, ffs.<br /><br />douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23660324515749796342015-10-13T17:59:18.572+01:002015-10-13T17:59:18.572+01:00I think they are probably just dim third raters wh...I think they are probably just dim third raters who don't understand anything much. Jackie Baillie is exceptional in that I honestly can;t remember her ever telling the truth. She's delusional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68866126302739487222015-10-13T17:57:32.153+01:002015-10-13T17:57:32.153+01:00I agree with that. I'm pretty sure that the op...I agree with that. I'm pretty sure that the opposition parties are seen as having nothing to offer except whinging. <br /><br />You look at Labour under Kezia and think.... if she were first minister, what would she stand for; what would her policies be, and in fact you don;t know. Becasue all she has ever done is carp about the SNP and tell lies about how many kids leave school without being able to read. (She might like to look at Labour's record on that!)<br /><br />You don;t win votes by criticising other people unless you have something better to do in their place... and if they have they certainly haven't mentioned it.<br /><br />The Tories are pretty much the same, and I haven't got a clue what the Liberals in Scotland stand for any more. Except obviously that the SNP are bad and giving poor Alistair a hard time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62331681879540750792015-10-13T17:37:10.092+01:002015-10-13T17:37:10.092+01:00Given the choice, I'd say idiots.Given the choice, I'd say idiots.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10117848024265194232015-10-13T16:47:17.648+01:002015-10-13T16:47:17.648+01:00Good question.
No one really knows now what will ...Good question.<br /><br />No one really knows now what will happen. Some will vote for, some against, and some will abstain.<br /><br />The Tories must love this. With a tiny majority, this disunity is a life saviour to them.<br /><br />They are about as much good in opposition as an underwater hair dryer.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-41387193252833725812015-10-13T15:09:19.802+01:002015-10-13T15:09:19.802+01:00I had a good laugh this morning whilst swallowing ...I had a good laugh this morning whilst swallowing the first meal I am allowed,Hektor has to be fed first which is only right given that he is a Prince, but sort of listening to those two twats who make up Sky's observations on the papers, Eamonn Holmes is an absolute disgrace, why isn't he working for the Beeb. <br />Well they were discussing the European Referendum and so it seems they are the abused wife, which I seem to think was our scenario. I can see us having a real good snigger at the machinations of Remain against Leave, then of course we have to decide who will win and hopefully vote the opposite.<br />Then of course came onto the computer and found out why Mr McDonnell had changed his mind about supporting George Osborne's little charter, he wants to support his comrades in Scotland against the nasty SNP, are they idiots in Labour, ill informed or just idiots?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05934836123529194653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-48204154288529581222015-10-13T14:10:25.675+01:002015-10-13T14:10:25.675+01:00I agree fully with your comments that they need to...I agree fully with your comments that they need to be constructive in their opposition. Successful governments work better with effective opposition. I don't give a damn if Forsyth thinks we are badly served - we're not. There are areas which could be improved - but all governments have problems.<br /><br />If the opposition would try and and reorganise themselves, and treat the voters with respect, then they might start winning seats back. Their primary focus is to attack everything the SNP does, rather than swallow their pride and support policies that are good, and question those that aren't. People might listen to them for once.<br /><br />zogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-45120882106784563772015-10-13T12:33:20.629+01:002015-10-13T12:33:20.629+01:00An ever growing number of lords too!An ever growing number of lords too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-84971183628015869362015-10-13T12:32:15.385+01:002015-10-13T12:32:15.385+01:00Ah... he's a Tory Lord. He can have it whichev...Ah... he's a Tory Lord. He can have it whichever way he wants....<br /><br />And yes... there was a 14% vote for the Tories in Scotland. Hows that for democracy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-55730257724022883932015-10-13T12:30:54.261+01:002015-10-13T12:30:54.261+01:00The poor quality of the opposition MSP (by and lar...The poor quality of the opposition MSP (by and large) and their total inability to put forward policies that might attract the Scottish voter, has rendered them a bunch of moaning whinging minnies. All they seem to do is say SNP BAD. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62702086687952088072015-10-13T12:27:57.743+01:002015-10-13T12:27:57.743+01:00Pity. In his life he's probably heard it often...Pity. In his life he's probably heard it often enough...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-84815552801504661832015-10-13T12:27:03.656+01:002015-10-13T12:27:03.656+01:00In fact of course, the way of electing the Scottis...In fact of course, the way of electing the Scottish government is in the hands of the English government.<br /><br />London controls elections and the constitution. THEY, not we, had to change the voting age to 16. If they want to find another way of electing the government which will reduce the SNP vote, it is in their hands.<br /><br />The alternative is for them to find people in their own parties that folk might want to vote for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-20560520089942695162015-10-13T12:23:14.971+01:002015-10-13T12:23:14.971+01:00I'm not expert on defence, but I think that th...I'm not expert on defence, but I think that the Brit's idea of it is ridiculous. Apparently with the 4th largest military spend in the world, we have a shortage of everything, and whenever we interfere in anything abroad we make a mess of it.<br /><br />The bulk of the money of course is spent on something that will never be used. Corbyn was right to say he wouldn't use it... although I suspect that America would simply override him if push came to shove.<br /><br />The West is more than covered by the American nuclear deterrent, and Britian would be better served by having conventional forces that would actually be some use in teh event of having to defend themselves.<br /><br />of course if they stopped poking their nose into other people's affairs and go on with making sure that the hospitals were funded and that children could read and write, perhaps they wouldn't nee d huge military spend. <br /><br />Iceland has a couple of fishery protection boats. But then Icelanders have no ambitions to lay waste to entire middle eastern countries, and their hospitals can treat people and their children can read and write, not only in Icelandic but in Danish and English too.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-20692996314516982292015-10-13T12:17:30.929+01:002015-10-13T12:17:30.929+01:00It's a poor argument when quite clearly it is ...It's a poor argument when quite clearly it is untrue. <br /><br />But I suppose, like so many of their sort, he reckons if it is said over and over again, stupid people will accept that it is true.<br /><br />I mean we've seen acceptance of all kids of lies before. Not least that Britian is a democracy, which it is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-47267763992922543412015-10-13T12:15:15.224+01:002015-10-13T12:15:15.224+01:00As you point out, Zog, if people want to, they can...As you point out, Zog, if people want to, they can vote Labour, or Green or even Tory at the next election and remove he SNP altogether. <br /><br />The reason that the SNP is in government is that people voted for them on a fairish system off voting.<br /><br />They system wasn't designed for a single party government. It was pretty much designed, by a Labour government, to ensure Labour and Liberal hegemony for all time.<br /><br />I suspect that no one foresaw that the Labour party in Scotland would be so pathetic, and that the Liberals would tie themselves to the Tories and disappear.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57215718872533262562015-10-13T12:02:54.438+01:002015-10-13T12:02:54.438+01:00Also,of course,for unionists to claim that Scotlan...Also,of course,for unionists to claim that Scotland is a "one party state" completely contradicts their narrative that Scotland is not a state but a region of a state called the UK.<br />Can't have it both ways.<br /><br /><br />bringitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10712089398887269381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-65807740542194565592015-10-13T11:37:09.214+01:002015-10-13T11:37:09.214+01:00And anyway, its preferable to have a legislature p...And anyway, its preferable to have a legislature packed with hereditary descendents of people long dead, believers in skypixies, party "donors" and reincarnated politicians removed by the voters.<br /><br />Any elected body is way more ligitimate than the House Of Lords could ever be. <br /><br />Saor AlbaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com