tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post3188493826308512391..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: Theresa May urges calm on gun law reformMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-86855318340317607272010-06-06T11:49:14.280+01:002010-06-06T11:49:14.280+01:00Quiet Man
People kill people. Therefore, people ...Quiet Man<br /><br />People kill people. Therefore, people should be banned from all lethal weapons, especially guns!brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-49163089243792307072010-06-05T23:23:54.979+01:002010-06-05T23:23:54.979+01:00Good for you Dean. Well said.
Now, as a Tory, do ...Good for you Dean. Well said.<br /><br />Now, as a Tory, do you think you could just advise our Tess that she shuld go buy some business suits. <br /><br />She really has to try to look the part. She's not off to a garden party. She's at the office to do a day's work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-78809926633876587892010-06-05T23:09:07.994+01:002010-06-05T23:09:07.994+01:00Thats always the same story isn't it Tris? We ...Thats always the same story isn't it Tris? We could be great, if it where not for the fools, the greedy and the corrupt...<br /><br />but heck, some things are worth fighting for. And a better tomorrow has to be one of them!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23109265990684010402010-06-05T22:38:07.977+01:002010-06-05T22:38:07.977+01:00We don't need to be...
We are an incredibly c...We don't need to be...<br /><br />We are an incredibly clever lot, we are inventive and resourceful and we could be great....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-65273190384263013252010-06-05T22:21:28.784+01:002010-06-05T22:21:28.784+01:00Hector: I'm with you on drunken violence, or b...Hector: I'm with you on drunken violence, or being sick all over the pavement .. or leaning against people's walls and sliding down taking with you valuable plants... in fact although I'm not in the least against drunkenness, I am against all public drunkennessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-8360241012312316102010-06-05T21:48:11.843+01:002010-06-05T21:48:11.843+01:00Yes Hector, your right about spelling!
But yep, ...Yes Hector, your right about spelling! <br /><br />But yep, its more a matter of enforcement- we don't need tighter laws.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-87846722976635240412010-06-05T21:46:58.661+01:002010-06-05T21:46:58.661+01:00Yeh Hector, your right about that poor spelling of...Yeh Hector, your right about that poor spelling of mine! <br /><br />But glad we can see eye to eye on this.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-47799142603775499322010-06-05T14:28:41.407+01:002010-06-05T14:28:41.407+01:00Dean
Yes I agree. Like most laws they aren't ...Dean<br /><br />Yes I agree. Like most laws they aren't enforced properly. Drunken violence being my main bugbear.<br /><br />I think it's 'Dunblane' rather than 'Dumblane' ; )hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15788724668839541902010-06-05T12:38:36.221+01:002010-06-05T12:38:36.221+01:00Hector,
Cheers for that technical info update. I ...Hector,<br /><br />Cheers for that technical info update. I find that it only strengthens my case. We do not need new laws- we need to improve existing statute. The law as it stands is tough enough on restricting access to gun ownership - what went wrong here was a failure to properly enforce the law; Simon Heffer in his Telegraph column outlines how Bird was never subject to 'any' questions about his record. <br /><br />We find poor enforcement and poor post-Dumblane laws. Lets not have a terrible incident be followed up by terrible and hastily drafted laws.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-90848588198685721282010-06-05T12:35:13.904+01:002010-06-05T12:35:13.904+01:00Munguin,
It is not about having little trust in m...Munguin,<br /><br />It is not about having little trust in my Party- it is about me realising politicians all and universally tend to automatically reach to the 'new laws' bucket asap whenever a crisis like Cumbria happens. More often than not it results in poor laws. See the post Dumblane laws - which have loop holes and inconsistances galore.<br /><br />I tend not to automatically trust any of our politician, no matter party alignment.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-11624756908335550812010-06-05T11:50:15.334+01:002010-06-05T11:50:15.334+01:00Hector. Once again I'm obliged to you.
It is ...Hector. Once again I'm obliged to you.<br /><br />It is interesting to note, as yopu point out, that tightening of gun laws, as you say has not delivered a decrease in killings. People, as you say do know that the guns that people own, quite legally, are locked inside cupboards as a rule, and so, if a nut job goes down teh high street killing people, there is very little chance that a passer by will ahve a gun that he can pull out and blast them away.<br /><br />I wonder though if these nut jobs give that a second's thought.<br /><br />The truth is that you cannot legislate for madmen. You never could. However Care in the Community with a little more of the Care element might go some way towards helping. <br /><br />And again, I ask the qyestion, why, in this country, does anyone need to have a gun in thier house. <br /><br />If it's for target shooting then it should be in a club under lock and key, and with no way of taking it outside the club. If it is for shooting animals, I should think we ought to have got over that by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15150238826745692412010-06-05T10:54:14.277+01:002010-06-05T10:54:14.277+01:00Yes QM but guns are intended for killing things ca...Yes QM but guns are intended for killing things cars are not and neither is electricity. The fact that these things kill people is an accident (usually). A gun is designed to kill.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-22218234492787718562010-06-05T10:51:34.176+01:002010-06-05T10:51:34.176+01:00@ Brownlea
Guns kill people. Killing people is ba...@ Brownlea<br /><br />Guns kill people. Killing people is bad. Therefore all guns should be banned.<br />Cars kill people. Killing people is bad. Therefore all cars should be banned.<br />Electricity kills people. Killing people is bad. Therefore all electricity should be banned.<br /><br />Banning solves nothing.Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68883625750955302032010-06-05T10:04:23.856+01:002010-06-05T10:04:23.856+01:00tris
Gun licensing is quite complex and there are...tris<br /><br />Gun licensing is quite complex and there are different rules and licensing panels depending on whether it's a shotgun or a rifle license. Special Branch get called in where the license is for anything other than a shotgun.<br />I found more info here..<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom<br /><br />I've never felt comfortable around guns and wouldn't want one but the gun laws have had no effect on gun crime. In fact shootings have increased since the Dunblane crackdown. Gangsters know that they're the only ones with guns and violent burglars know that even if a victim has a gun in the house it's no problem to them because it will be locked away in a metal cupboard.hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46714977732556949792010-06-05T09:34:55.847+01:002010-06-05T09:34:55.847+01:00Guns kill people. Killing people is bad. Therefo...Guns kill people. Killing people is bad. Therefore all guns should be banned.<br /><br />Must say I'm concerned about the Quiet Man's caveat - "I've never YET felt the urge...."brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-6206637265075567412010-06-05T06:54:15.253+01:002010-06-05T06:54:15.253+01:00Also Dean I did ask if you thought that the Tories...Also Dean I did ask if you thought that the Tories were incapable of framing good laws in a short time frame instaed of the as you call it knee-jerk reaction. I find it incredible that you have so little confidence in a party you support.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-79976283622384222902010-06-05T06:51:33.230+01:002010-06-05T06:51:33.230+01:00Of course the difference between a gun and a car i...Of course the difference between a gun and a car is that a car is primarily intended as a conveyance from A to B and a gun is primarily intended to kill something with QED!<br /><br />So Dean are the £6 Billion cuts not going to affect mental health at all? Because usually when the Dunkirk spirit stalks the streets that is seen as an easy hit and God knows mental health provision is pretty crap in Great Britain at the best of times. I don’t understand how we are going to beef up mental health provision to prevent loonies legally getting hold of guns while at the same time cutting everything to the bone. Much easier and cheaper to tighten up gun laws and regulations about who can own then and I think you will find that is what the Tories will do.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62750641948344107612010-06-04T23:44:26.419+01:002010-06-04T23:44:26.419+01:00Thanks for the technical info Hector...
It's ...Thanks for the technical info Hector...<br /><br />It's difficult to know, but ... if the crime committed by Bird was unconnected in any way to guns, why would he not be allowed a licence?<br /><br />Is it unqualified, lay Magistrates that do this sort of thing in England?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-47801112683385809732010-06-04T23:40:35.765+01:002010-06-04T23:40:35.765+01:00That was my first point Sophia. Why do people need...That was my first point Sophia. Why do people need guns? To kill things.<br /><br />Why do they need to kill things? They don't really.<br /><br />I'm sure there must be some way that we can allow people to target shoot without them having to carry guns about.<br /><br />Then if one of them goes balistic and stars shooting then he is shooting at other people who like guns, are aware of the risk, and in any case have some means of stopping him as QM says... but without it being in the High Street, and you with your messages to do.<br /><br />It seems a limiting way of dealing with it.<br /><br />In the USA where it seems they have no control because of the gun lobby and the NRA, every few weeks some nut case kid goes wild with a gun belonging to his dad (not securely locked away), because someone spoke to him wrong, or he got bad grades or he hasn't got any frioneds or can't get laid or whatever.....<br /><br />We really want to be as far from that as is humanly possible.<br /><br />But I do accept that a nutter let loose with a car can plough into a bus queue and kill just as many without a bullet being fired, and I don't want people to take away cars.<br /><br />Maybe my second point that Care in the Community, introduced by Mrs Thatcher, might be better if the 'Care' element actually existed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-44863022443969117542010-06-04T22:48:37.589+01:002010-06-04T22:48:37.589+01:00Dean..
You're not correct about gun licensing...Dean..<br /><br />You're not correct about gun licensing in England and Wales. His convictions only need to be considered and he can still get a shotgun and .22 licence despite his conviction for theft 20 years ago. <br /><br />From The Daily wail...<br /><br />" According to Home Office guidance, Bird's conviction for theft would only have to be 'considered' and was no automatic bar to getting a licence.<br />That still means that Bird, who is believed to have served a non-custodial sentence, could have seen his request refused by Cumbria Police.<br /><br />The Criminal Justice Act states that those sentenced to three years or more are never allowed to possess firearms.<br /><br />Those given between three months and three years must not possess firearms until five years after their release.<br /><br />Bird's second licence, for the rifle, was granted only three years ago."hectornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-5097072470837794922010-06-04T22:41:55.921+01:002010-06-04T22:41:55.921+01:00Why dis any change tae gun-law huv tae be a 'k...Why dis any change tae gun-law huv tae be a 'knee-jerk reaction'? Ah wid guess that the folk here advocatin' stricter controls were o' that opinion afore Bird startit shootin', an' likely will be efter the next nutter goes ballistic. Ah'm aw fer bannin' the private ownership o' guns, an' it has nuthin' tae dae wi' the three big massacres. Ah want them banned cos ah cannae think o' yin guid reason fer them bein' legal.<br /><br />It's no gaunnae eradicate fatal shootins, there'll aye be illegally held guns, but surely tae god it'll cut them doon, an' every death saved'll be worth it.<br /><br />Fair enough some folk like tae shoot at targets in clubs. But is that pleasure worth a life?<br /><br />These massacres are thankfully rare, an' oan their ain nae basis fer framin' legislation, but since Hungerford we've had nae massacres involvin' automatic weapons, an' since Dunblane nane involvin' handguns. Just a thought.Sophia Panglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10089164117446635962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-6494828110846804422010-06-04T21:56:53.417+01:002010-06-04T21:56:53.417+01:00Ok. I can see that you can do a lot of damage incl...Ok. I can see that you can do a lot of damage including death with a list of perectly legal things.<br /><br />And of course, if you are a member of a gun club you will be shooting at targets rather than killing things. I just have an aversion to killing things.<br /><br />In respect of your idea to arm the ferals and let them reduce their number, I heard that many many years ago on Glasgow Green, the neds used to gather to fight. Probably Protestants and Catholics, but who knows. Some people will just find an excuse to fight. Anyway, they used to go at each other with knives and razors and chains, and the police used to stand and watch and when they were done, exhausted and staggering about, they used to move in and lift what was left of them.<br /><br />That's what I call using your head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-51655862062272004112010-06-04T21:37:41.508+01:002010-06-04T21:37:41.508+01:00I partially agree with QM on this.
The issue isn&...I partially agree with QM on this.<br /><br />The issue isn't the law as it stands, he is quite right, our laws remain among the orlds toughest.<br /><br />The answer is better enforcement. For example, why was Bird able to get hold of a .22 rifle with no one asking questions? The law, had it been followed, would have resulted in his criminal record being uncovered.<br /><br />I agree with QM so much as this is his point. Well said sir!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-9668978142758822692010-06-04T20:33:46.710+01:002010-06-04T20:33:46.710+01:00Tris, I'm not saying everyone, but there are p...Tris, I'm not saying everyone, but there are people out there who can be trusted with firearms, as I said, I've owned guns since my teens, from air rifles/pistols to shotguns. At the moment I keep the shotgun at my sports club, but I have 2 air rifles here for target practice. I've never yet felt the urge to even point a gun at anyone, never mind use it. Nontheless if I or others like me had been allowed to carry guns (concealed) in Cumbria this would have been nipped in the bud before he hit double figures.<br />There is of course the possibility of arming our feral population and letting the "problem" take care of itself in a few months of random violence ;-)<br />The thing to remember is that a gun is a tool, it's the person who has it that is the problem if they are unstable, you'd be amazed at the damage you can do with a nailgun if you remove the safety, same with a mix of fertiliser and brake fluid.<br />Guns don't kill people, people decide to kill people.Quiet_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575652127079681825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-56236631320848222022010-06-04T20:24:17.949+01:002010-06-04T20:24:17.949+01:00Quiet Man
Is Right who will protect us in the pos...Quiet Man<br /><br />Is Right who will protect us in the post-apocalyptic world created by Con/Dem<br />Coalition....<br /><br />No one only ourselves and the only way will be the Way of the gun. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.ecorazzi.com/slideshow/images/24/PostApocalypseLondon.jpgNikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.com