tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post8766577807796624013..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: AT LEAST THE LORDS CAN'T STEAL REDUNDANCY MONEY FROM US: THEY'VE GOT THE JOB FOR LIFE!Munguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-43955450515223768662011-04-12T09:10:04.936+01:002011-04-12T09:10:04.936+01:00Yea Dean, I think I do! I may not know, or agree w...Yea Dean, I think I do! I may not know, or agree with, Stirling University’s definition, however.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23997794235203615642011-04-11T18:06:19.223+01:002011-04-11T18:06:19.223+01:00Sorry Munguin, but the elite electoral college is ...Sorry Munguin, but the elite electoral college is indirect democracy because by definition it is indirect .. you know, an elected chamber is appointing another layer of government; rather than it being directly elected from the grass up. <br /><br />You do know what the definitions are for direct and indirect democracy Munguin? Don't you?Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46579150412036736832011-04-11T13:25:57.133+01:002011-04-11T13:25:57.133+01:00My point Dean is that the US president is not indi...My point Dean is that the US president is not indirectly elected at all. He is directly elected by FPTP in each individual state. The candidate that wins the state wins it's electoral college votes. The one with the most electoral college votes is the winner. Whats indirect about that? <br /><br />Whats is indirect is that the people of oxfordshire vote for an MP and because he is deemed leader of the Conservative party in an STV election of other Tory MPs he gets to be the Prime Minister.<br /><br />Of course Dean we know what a great fan of non democracy you are, so much so that you cant decide on who you want to be your head of state King Maria or Princess Elizabeth or maybe you want both! Why not have a King of the EU as well you could maybe dig up a Hapsburg somewhere for that or re-instate the Holy Roman Empire.<br /><br />I did not make any jibs about class.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-76362864763865791542011-04-11T12:55:18.479+01:002011-04-11T12:55:18.479+01:00Mnguin,
What are you on about? My point is that h...Mnguin,<br /><br />What are you on about? My point is that he IS accountable to the people, even though he is elected via indirect democracy.<br /><br />Ergo, I fail to see you and Tris obsession with direct democracy all over the place, given that it isn't the only way of ensuring accountability in democracy.<br /><br />As for you rather eroneous and irrelevant jibs about class, that is as stupid, irrelevant to ths discussion as anything could ever be.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-56453630041230097022011-04-11T09:59:12.718+01:002011-04-11T09:59:12.718+01:00So Dean the US President is not accountable to the...So Dean the US President is not accountable to the people of the USA in your model then? As opposed to David Cameron who is just accountable to the people of oxfordshire then?Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-3107447122388370852011-04-10T02:52:02.944+01:002011-04-10T02:52:02.944+01:00Munguin, the contention Tris is making; which he a...Munguin, the contention Tris is making; which he accepted above; is that unless something is directly elected it isn't democratic because he cannot see "who it is accountable, and to whom" thus the USA President is not democratic to this mindset - as the electoral college is INDIRECT DEMOCRACY!!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-24102013384762995702011-04-09T09:36:07.714+01:002011-04-09T09:36:07.714+01:00How incredible that anyone in the 21st century cou...How incredible that anyone in the 21st century could advocate undemocratic accountability as the way to go and cite the US President as an example. I would point out that complex as the voting system for the President is it is still a democratic process. The American people can and do get rid of Presidents they don’t like after 4 years and a President can only serve a maximum of eight years. We already have an indirectly elected executive, unlike the USA where their President is directly elected, who here voted for David Cameron to be prime minister? He only gets the job because he is leader of the Tories and if he goes then the next leader of the Tories takes over al la John Major. So thanks Dean I think we have enough indirectly elected un-democracy in the UK in the so called elected house. Never mind adding to it with a whole pile of fiddling old duffers, party placemen, bishops and so on in the even more undemocratic and definitely un-accountable upper house!Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46632274490551347272011-04-09T00:13:54.485+01:002011-04-09T00:13:54.485+01:00Yeah Dean... it is, because I don't see how th...Yeah Dean... it is, because I don't see how thay are accountable, and to whom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57928261725270629762011-04-09T00:13:06.526+01:002011-04-09T00:13:06.526+01:00Don’t hide in the Subway, Iain!
Actually the stup...Don’t hide in the Subway, Iain!<br /><br />Actually the stupid thing about Gray... (what am I saying, there are so many)... but the stupid thing about what Gray said on this particular occasion was that he wasn't in the least frightened.<br /><br />He had, he said, been in loads of different conflict zones...Mozambique, Chile, Rwanda, and Cambodia (surely not when Pol Pot was cutting people’s head off and building his own personal mountain range out of them), so this wasn’t frightening...at all.<br /><br />So, if he had no physical fear that only leaves one reason for his to take flight from Anti Tory protestors. He had nothing to say to them. He hadn’t a script. He didn’t foresee them being there and his people hadn’t provided him with something to say. I mean Annabel Goldie debated with them; now she’s a Tory and it is Tory cuts they are angry about. You’d have thought he would have been on firm ground with people against TORY cuts.<br /><br />Whoever is in government in a month’s time will have to implement cuts. John Swinney has been doing this for the last 2 years. They are not our cuts; they wouldn’t be Labour’s cuts. They are cuts from London in the amount that they spend here directly, and in the amount of grant that they give us to spend on ourselves.<br /><br />I suspect that, like Annabel, Alex and Tavish would both have argued their parties’ lines.<br /><br />In the meantime this pathetic excuse for a leader.... hid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-92115526657573232522011-04-08T23:56:57.321+01:002011-04-08T23:56:57.321+01:00May not be elected, but it is still democratically...May not be elected, but it is still democratically accountable - unless you are making the claim that something is only democratically accountable if it is directly elected?<br /><br />If so, this is where we disagree :)Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-86484814430291273872011-04-08T23:46:17.069+01:002011-04-08T23:46:17.069+01:00I did John, but Pet said "WHO? Never heard o...I did John, but Pet said "WHO? Never heard of him. Does he play drums... I'm looking for a drummer."<br /><br />But when I showed he a photograph she said she'd prefer someone a little slimmer and better looking.<br /><br />So... as far as Ms Clark is concerned, he can sleep in the Subway all he likes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-22590864694167355812011-04-08T23:43:35.375+01:002011-04-08T23:43:35.375+01:00Dean.... in what way are the Lords elected by anyo...Dean.... in what way are the Lords elected by anyone, colleges, individuals... no one at all elects them.<br /><br />The Bishops are appointed; the herediteries vote for themselves and the rest are put there by party leaders to tow the line (the place is currently stuffed with Labour lords, many on the fiddle).<br /><br />It's rotten to the core. That's not to say the commons isn't but at least we can deprive some of them of their living after 5 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-20236345978815374552011-04-08T23:38:27.756+01:002011-04-08T23:38:27.756+01:00LOL Dubs, love the one about Baker being filled wi...LOL Dubs, love the one about Baker being filled with 100% mince!!!<br /><br />Never a truer word!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-64545347300423097872011-04-08T23:36:18.973+01:002011-04-08T23:36:18.973+01:00Iain who? Dubs... Is this someone I should know?Iain who? Dubs... Is this someone I should know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68891668626011500372011-04-08T23:33:35.630+01:002011-04-08T23:33:35.630+01:00Hey JB, I'm great thanks... Nice to see you ba...Hey JB, I'm great thanks... Nice to see you back. How much is petrol now your way?<br /><br />"Britain you can drive you cars", my butt!<br /><br />They missed out the bit about "if you're a millionaire!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-78297759720805789372011-04-08T23:31:52.360+01:002011-04-08T23:31:52.360+01:00Good Lord Hoon Spooter...
What a weirdo... it'...Good Lord Hoon Spooter...<br /><br />What a weirdo... it's a good read. Actually they sound as daft as each otehr....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-24095510786091910732011-04-08T20:49:33.296+01:002011-04-08T20:49:33.296+01:00I suppose to be at 19 out of 26 for the oldest dem...I suppose to be at 19 out of 26 for the oldest democracy in the world shows how our leaders are failing us Dean.<br /><a href="http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_Index_2010_web.pdf" rel="nofollow">Democracy Index 2010</a>cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-88525516883377891812011-04-08T16:51:00.011+01:002011-04-08T16:51:00.011+01:00brownlie
LOL, keep them coming, it couldn't h...brownlie<br /><br />LOL, keep them coming, it couldn't happen to a worse chap.Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-32370507758565533542011-04-08T16:45:29.988+01:002011-04-08T16:45:29.988+01:00Dubbieside,
I thought Tris would have asked Petul...Dubbieside,<br /><br />I thought Tris would have asked Petula Clark to sing "Don't sleep on the subway, darling" for the intrepid Iain.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-74355318844697305182011-04-08T14:20:57.828+01:002011-04-08T14:20:57.828+01:00Putting Niko's excited outburst aside, I still...Putting Niko's excited outburst aside, I still maintain that right now I'd sooner trust the unelected Lords with my freedom and taxpayers money than the bloody Commons.<br /><br />That being said, I'd also like to come back on a point hinted at (I forget who by), about the connection between democracy and directly elected institutions.<br /><br />I'd like to suggest that democracy isn't necessarily about having everything directly elected, it more about accountability. Indirectly elected chambers can be infinitely democratic and accountable. After all, is the US President 'undemocratic' and therefore 'a tyrant' because of the electoral college?<br /><br />I think not. Instead, I smell rancid euroscepticism at work in the fingers of those who type the nonsense that something is only democratic if it holds a directly elected relationship with the people.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33808542962807624292011-04-08T14:20:03.140+01:002011-04-08T14:20:03.140+01:00Tris
Just found Labours latest press release. Thi...Tris<br /><br />Just found Labours latest press release. This will be delivered round the doors by their dedicated team next week.<br /><br />http://twitpic.com/4i2ky5Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-82595930729766493752011-04-08T14:01:50.622+01:002011-04-08T14:01:50.622+01:00Tris
A world exclusive for you. I have just heard...Tris<br /><br />A world exclusive for you. I have just heard from Labour HQ, this is the theme music the next time Elmer AKA Iain somebody walks on stage.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI1e-wVc<br /><br />Pity it was not KFC he ran into, that would have been even funnier!Dubbiesidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14351210091827242674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-85836339443586793592011-04-08T09:45:10.207+01:002011-04-08T09:45:10.207+01:00Niko,
Get your fact right before you pontificate....Niko,<br /><br />Get your fact right before you pontificate. "tin pot megalomaniac" is a bit rich coming from an individual whose party was led by Blair and Brown.<br />Incidentally, I see that Foulkes is now slumbering on the red benches instead of slavering at Holyrood.<br /><br />Hi, Tris, how're you doing?brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-47690634595468464302011-04-07T23:37:03.021+01:002011-04-07T23:37:03.021+01:00tris,
Yes I saw that prog with butterfill. His daf...tris,<br />Yes I saw that prog with butterfill. His daft claims about getting a lordship cost him thousands in regular £300 claims at the other place.<br />This was a funny article about Lord Taylor. Married some mad yank who was so traumatised after 24 days with the weirdo that she had to get exorcised. He spent all her money. Never slept with her and forgot to tell her he was getting jailed soon. All very queer..<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/8290284/Lord-Taylor-the-strange-tale-of-the-convicted-peer-and-his-24-day-marriage-to-a-wealthy-businesswoman.htmlHoon spotternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-50189205081277084552011-04-07T21:25:20.358+01:002011-04-07T21:25:20.358+01:00What, Niko, are you talking about?What, Niko, are you talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com