tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post7007826649524612719..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: HE WILL FIGHT THEM ON THE BEACHES, ETC; WE SHALL NOT FIND HIM WANTINGMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-79290097546264119002011-08-16T22:46:28.998+01:002011-08-16T22:46:28.998+01:00(Reuters) - Prime Minister David Cameron's pro...(Reuters) - Prime Minister David Cameron's promise to fix Britain's "broken society" prompted heckles from a teenage audience in his rural powerbase on Monday, underlining the deep divisions about what caused the country's worst riots in decades.<br /><br />In speech at a youth club in the picturesque town of Witney, Oxfordshire, Cameron blamed the trouble on a society where fathers abandon families, gangs flout the law and people refuse to take responsibility for their actions.<br /><br />But the young audience was unimpressed, heckling the Conservative leader and pointing the finger at public spending cuts, inequality and higher university fees which they fear will widen the gap between society's haves and have-nots.<br /><br />"He is blaming everyone but himself," said Jake Parkinson, 17, unemployed. "The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. I'd love to go to university, but it's the money that is putting me off."<br /><br />Cameron, wearing a crisp white shirt and blue tie and sporting a suntan after a Tuscan holiday cut short by the rioting, stood in front of graffiti portraying two hooded and masked youths striking a gangster pose.<br /><br />The cartoon-like characters fitted the stereotype of those who took part in four nights of rioting that triggered a bout of soul-searching about the state of British society.<br /><br />There were whistles when Cameron entered the stuffy, cramped room and "chicken" noises at the end from teenagers who accused him of leaving early and being too scared to answer all of their questions.<br /><br />AUSTERITY BRITAIN<br /><br />Many in Witney said they thought the biggest threat to public order came from a government austerity drive that they say will inevitably lead to the closure of social services funded by the state or third parties, such as charities.<br /><br />"He wants people to get in touch with their families, but for some people their families aren't there and the youth centre is the only place where they can talk to people," said Ryan Clayton, 15. "But he's shutting all the youth centres."<br /><br />With its honey-coloured stone houses, antiques shops and historic church, Witney is a world away from the city streets where looters wrecked shops. Cameron represents the area in parliament and has a house nearby in the Cotswolds countryside.<br /><br />In the town's main street, unemployed father-of-two Martin Lawson Smith said the wide gap between the rich and poor had fuelled the discontent.<br /><br />"I don't think broken families and morals are the problem," he said. "It's more the inequality that there is in society."<br /><br />The debate over the many possible causes of the rioting has divided voters, political parties and media commentators.<br /><br />In Tottenham, the north London neighbourhood where the riots began after police shot dead a suspect called Mark Duggan, there was some support for Cameron.<br /><br />"I think he's right," said Nicola Pastore, 26, who lives next to a carpet shop gutted during the disorder. "At the beginning it had something to do with the funeral (of Duggan) but after that it was just people wanting to rob."<br /><br />Giuseppe Delgiudice, 48, painting the front door of a boarded up law firm beneath a flat destroyed by fire, said he backed stronger police powers and action to tackle gangs.<br /><br />"It was too lenient at the beginning," he said of the initial police response to the riots. "The first riot might have had an issue. But from Monday it was just looting."<br /><br />Others highlighted a lack of apprenticeships for young people, an over-generous system of state benefits and a breakdown of family values.<br /><br />George Akolbire, 50, who moved to Britain 14 years ago from Ghana, said family discipline was a problem.<br /><br />"It's the government, the politicians who don't allow the parents to sort out their children," he said. "My father used to beat me. Here the government say 'don't touch your children,' so you are scared of smacking them when they do something bad."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-17912863632225517142011-08-16T19:38:23.413+01:002011-08-16T19:38:23.413+01:00Very good Monty...
You've almost written a bi...Very good Monty...<br /><br />You've almost written a biography of Brown. <br /><br />I think Cameron should go. I mean either he was complicit or he's a complete bloody fool.<br /><br />In either case he's not prime ministerial material.<br /><br />Now, who can we have instead.... <br /><br />Answers on a post card.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-81114021446226288402011-08-16T19:34:17.829+01:002011-08-16T19:34:17.829+01:00I'm not going to stick a pin in any of them......I'm not going to stick a pin in any of them... I think maybe a hand grenade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-41514911700372079832011-08-16T19:32:51.451+01:002011-08-16T19:32:51.451+01:00He's such a dimmo, Allan. Thatcher was bright ...He's such a dimmo, Allan. Thatcher was bright enough to give the police a massive pay rise when she got in. She knew she'd need them on side when she shut down industry and mining. <br /><br />This half wit thought it was a good idea, to make the police look stupid and big himself and his second rate team up. Way to go Cameron.<br /><br />They seem to have taken their roles in the "ruling class" a bit too far, assuming the rights to things that are nothing to do with them, trying to make it look like decisions on policing rest with them.<br /><br />They are a bunch of vandals and criminals themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-14043110005136154762011-08-16T19:19:56.871+01:002011-08-16T19:19:56.871+01:00CH:
My money is on ...no, he won't resign, th...CH:<br /><br />My money is on ...no, he won't resign, they never do.<br /><br />In the old days people of his class would have gone into a room with a bottle of malt and a revolver having shamed themselves so badly.<br /><br />I'd even pay for the whisky... But no chance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-35467114972665371192011-08-16T18:52:32.265+01:002011-08-16T18:52:32.265+01:00Allan
Use your own pin. and don't forget the ...Allan<br /><br /><a href="http://www.conservatives.com/People/Members_of_Parliament.aspx?by=All" rel="nofollow">Use your own pin.</a> and don't forget the blindfold.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-44962927212974064972011-08-16T18:00:10.474+01:002011-08-16T18:00:10.474+01:00cynicalHighlander.
When will Cameron resign?
Soo...cynicalHighlander.<br /><br />When will Cameron resign?<br /><br />Soon I hope but what would be the alternative? Not Boris lol.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264783996137140609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-48772938431881231272011-08-16T17:56:03.307+01:002011-08-16T17:56:03.307+01:00Tris.
I take it Cameron is not on your Christmas ...Tris.<br /><br />I take it Cameron is not on your Christmas card list lol. Yes you were right about Cameron and I should has seen through him but I think I was blinded by my disgust of Gordon Brown I would had even taken ET as PM.<br /><br />I do want to see all those who took part in the riots punished but as you also pointed out, taking away benefits will only make the situation worse. All that would do would create an underclass and in any case, who is he to dictate what punishment people are dealt?<br /><br />Totaly agreed Tris. Cameron could had brought everyone together but instead he has actually made the situation worse by his ill thought out knee jerk innuendos.<br /><br />As you say he has really got up the backs of the police. I watched the BBC lunch time news and the head of the Manchester police federation was very critical of Cameron and his silly curfew policies.<br /><br />I think you said it all on the Scottish Labour MPs. Spot on!.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264783996137140609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10808915390272772622011-08-16T17:21:48.295+01:002011-08-16T17:21:48.295+01:00Clive Goodman's letter to News International
...<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/aug/16/clive-goodman-letter-phone-hacking" rel="nofollow">Clive Goodman's letter to News International</a><br /><br />"Goodman states in the clearest possible terms he agreed to carry the can for phone-hacking in exchange for keeping his job in a deal negotiated by Crone and Coulson"<br /><br />When will Cameron resign?cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10565290853992847142011-08-16T16:44:56.472+01:002011-08-16T16:44:56.472+01:00“The Sequel”: How 2011 Is A Repeat of 2008—Only Bi...<a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-%E2%80%9C-sequel%E2%80%9D-how-2011-repeat-2008%E2%80%94only-bigger-longer-and-uncut-bailouts" rel="nofollow">“The Sequel”: How 2011 Is A Repeat of 2008—Only Bigger, Longer, and Uncut by Bailouts</a><br /><br />Forecast: Retail industry; Ptchforks and Rope.<br /> Service industry; Soup Kitchens.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46392799109183430982011-08-16T15:56:59.914+01:002011-08-16T15:56:59.914+01:00tris. I think Niko yearns for the economic brillia...tris. I think Niko yearns for the economic brilliance that was Gordon who opened up the financial markets and let them fill their boots with no comeback. Oh and when they failed he bailed them out to carry on as usual. Even giving Fred a knighthood for his genius. He also ended 'boom and bust' and got rid of all our gold before it became too expensive for people to buy ( $1800 an oz now while he managed to shift it at $220 - crafty beggar). Emptying all of the private pension schemes of their savings was a master stroke as well. Useful cash to help flatten Iraq and employ an extra million public sector outreach workers and lesbian gypsy trapeze artist awareness workers. Brilliance !<br />I see Coulson is back in the frame re hackgate. I wonder if Dave will honour another of his 'cast iron' guarantees and apologise for hiring Coulson and promise to look at a prosecution. It may be unecessary of course if Coulson has a mishap in a portaloo or 'tops' himself in a leafy woodland.Montynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33439240008878078792011-08-16T15:15:20.141+01:002011-08-16T15:15:20.141+01:00Alex Samond: Wash your dirty mouth out with soap a...Alex Samond: Wash your dirty mouth out with soap and water... you too Anon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-10818816436401225502011-08-16T15:14:18.163+01:002011-08-16T15:14:18.163+01:00Niko: I thought you'd disappeared.
Actually ...Niko: I thought you'd disappeared. <br /><br />Actually someone did comment on the costs. Here they are:<br /><br />Highest estimated cost of riots: £100m<br /><br />Tax avoidance by Vodafone: £6 billion<br /><br />Tax spent on Libyan intervention: £1 billion<br /><br />Tax avoidance in 2010 by richest people in the UK: £7 billion<br /><br />Tax payers bill for banking crisis: £131 billion<br /><br />Tax money spent in Iraqi conflict: £4.5 billion<br /><br />Tax money spent on Afghan conflict (up until 2007): £7 billion<br /><br />Total MP expenses bill (2007) £87.6m...<br /><br />(Chapeau Dark Lochnagar)<br /><br />I too have nothing but disgust for this business and political class that puts money before everything else.<br /><br />We have moved back in time to a regime where there are the monied people at the top, who own this country, and then there are the rest of us who are here to ensure that they have everything they need.<br /><br />It stinks on ice. But mark you, Labour courted these people too Niko, and to a certain extent it seems that even the SNP courted that foul old Australian baboon Murdoch). The shame of it.<br /><br />As for Cameron being underwhelming, yes. I think he underwhelms me even more that Gordon Brown did, and that is saying something.<br /><br />So ... the weather is rotten in Mauritania is it? You should have stayed at home. Didn't Mr Cameron tell us we should all holiday in Britain?<br /><br />You should come and join the SNP Niko and fight for independence from Toryland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15456221773726334602011-08-16T15:01:34.805+01:002011-08-16T15:01:34.805+01:00True Allan...
They have two legal systems, two co...True Allan...<br /><br />They have two legal systems, two codes of behaviour. One is for the rich and one for the poor.<br /><br />Cameron has led from the rear in this. He has turned a situation that might have brought people together into the opposite.<br /><br />Punishing people dependant on their station in life is bound to cause more resentment; upsetting the police by appearing to say that he could have done better, at the same time as he is cutting their budgets is also guaranteed to make things worse.<br /><br />To be lectured on vandalism by someone (indeed more than one person) who, in his youth, was a vandal is quite sickening. Criticism by someone who was an arsonist in his youth is no more acceptable.<br /><br />The Scottish Labour MPs were disgusting. They don't represent Scotland. They have one aim in life and that is to revenge their colleagues who lost seats in the election because they were crap.<br /><br />They don't give a stuff about Scottish business. They will happily damage our tourist trade as long as they can be critical of the SNP. They are a hateful, pathetic, shallow bunch of no-hope chancers.<br /><br />We need our own international identity, otherwise whatever Cameron does to England will be reflected here.<br /><br />Unlike you I never gave him the benefit of the doubt. He was always, for my money, a broken reed. He thought that he deserved to be prime minister because of his wealth and background and the palace was complicit in this.<br /><br />I knew he would be a failure, and I predicted these riots. What is more I predict more of them ere long...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-2154669040163464462011-08-16T14:39:19.664+01:002011-08-16T14:39:19.664+01:00Alex Salmond - Nikos wife says the same to me abou...Alex Salmond - Nikos wife says the same to me about him in bed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33347874221282744962011-08-16T14:24:57.140+01:002011-08-16T14:24:57.140+01:00Nikostratos said...
Cameron a truly miserable and ...Nikostratos said...<br />Cameron a truly miserable and underwhelming Prime minister<br /><br /><br />I bet your wife says the same about you in bed.Alex Salmondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-29979971500499685892011-08-16T13:51:54.710+01:002011-08-16T13:51:54.710+01:00Cameron a truly miserable and underwhelming Prime ...Cameron a truly miserable and underwhelming Prime ministerNikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-72450591452282055492011-08-16T13:49:51.968+01:002011-08-16T13:49:51.968+01:00tris
No one seems to note the oppressed freedom f...tris<br /><br />No one seems to note the oppressed freedom fighters who took to the streets in response<br />to Camerons attack on their family and homes.<br />Caused not one thousandth of the wilful chaos brought about the white male middle class created banking crisis.<br /><br />Yet not one of camerons guilty class has been arrested tried and put in jail ...nor will they bastards<br /><br />Long may the poor and oppressed rise up against the tyranny of the English Tory's reign of terror...<br /><br />Ps weather is atrocious here in Mauritius be back in a few days ready to lend my support for the rebellion against the English Torys bastards <br /><br />for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under Tory rule...<br /><br />summat like thatNikostratoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581441869560921339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-75833763253503294702011-08-16T13:06:24.235+01:002011-08-16T13:06:24.235+01:00Tris.
I think you have hit the nail on the head w...Tris.<br /><br />I think you have hit the nail on the head with this article. Although the riots are totally unacceptable and those who took part in them should be punished, Cameron has used this as an attack on the poorer societies in England. This is the smocking gun he has been waiting for.<br /><br />Ever since Cameron came to power I have given him the benefit of the doubt and thought he was different but now the nasty old Tory party are back..BIG TIME!!<br /><br />He labeled parts of society as "Sick" after the riots!!..Urinating on war graves, smashing up the Tory party HQ, almost killing a policeman and attacking the Royal family...the work of Oxford, Cambridge and Eaton educated students but where was the "sick" society label then?<br /><br />Iain Duncan Smith wants to take away council homes and benefits from those who are found guilty!! Why single out those in Council houses and benefits? Why did he not single out those in Uni education will have their funding withdrawn? those who are in employment will be made to pay back a % of their wages back into society for up to 10 years etc etc!!<br /><br />But do you know what pissed me off most? The spivs who are Scottish Labour MP's who sat in the commons and attacked the First Minister for sticking up for our tourism industry in light of the riots when Germany was advising its citizens not to travel to the "UK"<br /><br />I would still rather have 10 Cameron's to one single Scottish Labour MP, they are very problematic for Scotland's future prosperity.<br /><br />I like what Ed Miliband is saying but what did he do about gangs etc in his 13 years of Gov?Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264783996137140609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-7194223820371073132011-08-15T23:49:58.389+01:002011-08-15T23:49:58.389+01:00http://iainmacwhirter2.blogspot.com/
Is a good ar...http://iainmacwhirter2.blogspot.com/<br /><br />Is a good article on the riots.<br /><br />One of the points he makes about the punishing of the "feral youth" is that many of them simply don't care any more. Put them in prison; it's coming up to teh cold weather, there's some heat in there. <br /><br />They have nothing to lose. They weren't going to get a job anyway. Life is horrible on the outside; violent, scary, dirty, unrewarding... why not go in prison. 3 square meals, some work, something to do with your day...<br /><br />When the punishments don't mean anything, you're in trouble.<br /><br />Unless of course you are like the Chinese, and you bring in hard labour. Maybe even that wouldn't bother them.<br /><br />Maybe for punishment to actually be something that is worse than life on the outside, you might have to do some torturing. Fortunately we seem to have experience of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-37622951683628951102011-08-15T22:31:26.447+01:002011-08-15T22:31:26.447+01:00LOL CHLOL CHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-91665787560606763132011-08-15T22:31:05.391+01:002011-08-15T22:31:05.391+01:00Dean, Mr Brownlie always makes good points... well...Dean, Mr Brownlie always makes good points... well, at least when he's sober.<br /><br />You know, there are many individual reasons for taking past in last weekend's riots.<br /><br />And certainly criminal and violent thuggery rank amongst them. But without going into a great long list of possible motivations, I think that you have to ask yourself, whatever the motivations were... Do people in a happy society riot and burn down the places where they live?<br /><br />Even if you take the two idiot girls, interviewed by a BBC reporter, who said that it was "like a bit of fun really, yeah, like". Do happy ordinary teenage girls call arson and rioting a bit of fun?<br /><br />I don't think so. Now an intelligent thinking government that wanted to get to the bottom of this problem (as opposed to getting good headlines in the Mail and the Sun [which is just relieved that the spotlight is off it]) would look at why people are so bloody miserable that they have to do this... to their own places.<br /><br />I don't understand it. I could have perhaps understood the motivation for torching Mayfair, or Downing Street, Clarence House, Chelsea... but they burned down their own places.<br /><br />Until someone works out why people are so unhappy, it won't go away; it will come back.<br /><br />But Cameron knows best. He's obviously an expert in crime and punishment.<br /><br />He certainly knows a lot about smashing up premises and going on rampages through town centres, as does Osborne and Johnson... and their friend Clegg knows about arson.<br /><br />As my old boss used to say:<br /><br />There's always trouble where there's arson about... boom boom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-13260966654247820682011-08-15T22:28:11.527+01:002011-08-15T22:28:11.527+01:00Cameron's reactionary action plan. apologies...<b>C</b>ameron's <b>r</b>eactionary <b>a</b>ction <b>p</b>lan. apologies to Crinkly.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-90987382736192554402011-08-15T22:17:41.011+01:002011-08-15T22:17:41.011+01:00The reason nothing will really be done, JB is that...The reason nothing will really be done, JB is that most of what they promise would be impossible to do, and would probably spark off other riots. <br /><br />They talk tough to get the Daily Mail on-side, but as you say, something new will come along and grab the attention of the comic press, and the government will slowly shelve most of their plans.<br /><br />Sorting broken Britain as a legacy is a fool's venture. Without vast investment in infrastructure, job creation, health, education, training, industrial revival, etc., none of it is going to happen. The place is falling down; they wasted the oil money on wars, unemployment, WMDs, creeping to the USA, vanity projects, mainly in England (eg Millennium Dome and Olympics).<br /><br />On top of all these things someone somehow has to restore respect for the institutions of parliament, the state church (an English one), the police, the civil service and the monarchy, not to mention the individuals who have stolen, cheated, buggered choirboys, bribed, taken bribes, crawled and lied to get a title... etc, etc.<br /><br />People no longer even have affection for, or loyalty to their employment or employers. They know they aren't valued any more and are disposable.<br /><br />Bloody mess. I wish we were out of it.<br /><br />Good luck if that's what you're up for Dave... You'll fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-16746581358961275232011-08-15T22:05:48.965+01:002011-08-15T22:05:48.965+01:00Dean, by and large the poor don't vote Tory. I...Dean, by and large the poor don't vote Tory. If they do, I'm not sure what they hope to get back for that vote... better housing, better minimum wage, better public transport, cheaper necessities, like utilities, food, pensions, care of elderly, hospitals...?<br /><br />If they do they are going to be disappointed. The Tories sold off council housing so there is hardly any left, utilities are flying through the roof, food likewise, VAT ( a tax that Cameron himself described as unfair) was raised on everything bar food and electricity/gas. The last time the Tories were in the abolished minimum wages and jobcentres could demand that people took jobs at as little as a pound an hour. Nope Dean, the poor get very little out of the Tories. Poor pensioners in fact just lost a chunk of necessary income in the winter from Cameron, despite a very explicit promise pre-election not to do it. He's a liar on that one, plain and simple.<br /><br />So yeah, maybe some poor people may vote Tory, but I'm damned if I can work out why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com