tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post4755768595962565062..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: WE ARE RIGHT TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF BLAIR'S MOTIVESMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-24787793595365004392010-08-19T20:33:28.329+01:002010-08-19T20:33:28.329+01:00Hum Brownlie, glad as I am that you're back, y...Hum Brownlie, glad as I am that you're back, you're safe and you're back on Munguin's Republic, I draw a line at knowing anything about your ring, or you piles of work... <br /><br />Anyways... even if Adam hates you (and he probably does read this; everyone who counts does you know) you're more than welcome back here.<br /><br />Peddle away mate....<br /><br />Oh yeah, I agree with you about Gorby. He was a man we could all do business with. He took some amazingly bold steps that took incredible courage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-59518972979770342412010-08-19T20:27:39.863+01:002010-08-19T20:27:39.863+01:00Dean: of course I welcome it. But I believe that a...Dean: of course I welcome it. But I believe that a country that can afford to send men to war can afford to treat them when they come back broken and busted. That's only fair.<br /><br />They are your soldier and my soldiers and i am happy that Blair's money is going to help them seeing as the grippy country can't be bothered.<br /><br />You see, there is not "position" to be gained from looking after your sick and maimed troops.<br /><br />On the other hand, if you want to stay in the G8 when your economy doesn't being to deserve it, you have to do your bit with oversees aid. If not...you get dumped. It’s like keeping nuclear bombs you will never use so that you can stay at the top table in the UN.<br /><br />So yeah, I’m glad he’s giving the money. The money will buy as much help for these guys whether he gave it as a stunt or as a genuine gift from the heart. But once again I ask, why is the MoD (and I accept it isn’t necessarily Fox’s fault; it was there before he was... and will probably be there after he’s gone) isn’t responsible for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-12389479889943615362010-08-19T17:12:53.389+01:002010-08-19T17:12:53.389+01:00Dean,
Damn, you've sussed me out. My real na...Dean,<br /><br />Damn, you've sussed me out. My real name is Nikoroffski - no relation - and I would not have mined being implicated with one of them. Strangely, my all-time hero, apart from Lawrie Rielly, is Gorbachev who's been the most effective and impressive politician in my life-time.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57635348350586654412010-08-19T16:31:36.513+01:002010-08-19T16:31:36.513+01:00Tris,
Glad you are welcoming what Blair's don...Tris,<br /><br />Glad you are welcoming what Blair's donation will go towards. It is a nice concession from what you wrote on the article..<br /><br />But Fox has a tough time. God knows I am NOT a fan of the man, but he has picked the fights which needed picking. He did launch a briefings war with the treasury over MoD cuts, and why it was not ring fenced but overseas aid is. <br /><br />So he is picking the right fights. My problem with him isn't that he is being inactive Tris; I think that would be unfair; but that he is failing to attract support. But then if your that right wing, even most Tories won't want to agree with you :)<br /><br />p.s Brownlie, you have been gone a while, hope you weren't implicated in some Russian spy ring recently!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-67618013124894438172010-08-19T16:20:29.635+01:002010-08-19T16:20:29.635+01:00PS: If you're reading this, Adam, it was your...PS: If you're reading this, Adam, it was your secretary that nicked your rubber ring before she went for that holiday in the Russian submarine.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-67360611057997343522010-08-19T16:18:26.123+01:002010-08-19T16:18:26.123+01:00Tris,
I refuse to pay twenty groats and a farthin...Tris,<br /><br />I refuse to pay twenty groats and a farthing for a new computer so I'll just have to peddle faster!<br /><br />I've actually been to a place where Blair would certainly not be welcome so you've got the whole world to pick from. I think my boss hates me. Since I ran off with his rubber ring he's given me piles of work.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-40756538520222054482010-08-19T13:56:18.103+01:002010-08-19T13:56:18.103+01:00Greetings oh great one:
Where the hell have you b...Greetings oh great one:<br /><br />Where the hell have you been?<br /><br />My mum’s been missing you like hell... <br /><br />Anyway, you’re right. The whole of Blair’s government was a spin exercise and he cynically used troops in London to reinforce in people’s mind that the threat was real. It was a shame to go to all that trouble when all that Saddy had was 2 peashooters and a catapult, confiscated from one of these wee laddies that he had photographed sitting on his knee in the last Gulf War!<br /><br />Whitehall – Whitewash. All these enquiries seem to do it to allow the participants to swear their way into hell, and provide people who don’t need them with lots of lunches on expenses....<br /><br />I noted that Dean’s own blog points out what the money will be used for... A centre to help soldiers get back to some kind of life after horrific injuries. I find it incredible that such a centre is to be built by charitable contributions, and indeed, without these contributions from Mr Blair might never have been finished.<br /><br />Why is it not a top priority of government to provide these facilities? What on earth is Mr Fox messing about at when there are troops coming home with inadequate hospital and rehabilitation facilities? Talk about fur coats and no knickers.<br /><br />If that doesn’t make you ashamed to be British then nothing will.<br /><br />Thanks for the comments about the new layout. I’m deeply concerned though that you are having to read Niko’s comment and will immediately put a team of my best people onto investigating the problem.<br /><br />It may be that your computer is gubbed and that you need to put your hand in your pocket for a new one.<br /><br />Think about it... no more comments from Niko? Bargain.<br /><br />Get blogging! (says Tris’s mum!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-73001654522391089422010-08-19T12:46:58.495+01:002010-08-19T12:46:58.495+01:00Incidentally, Blair's contribution to the Brit...Incidentally, Blair's contribution to the British Legion is around the equivalent of me buying an old soldier a pint and a chew at my tobacco. Still, of considerable consolation is the old adage regarding rich men, camels and eyes of needles.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23600341541109253872010-08-19T10:04:18.543+01:002010-08-19T10:04:18.543+01:00Greetings, proles,
Must say I found Dean's re...Greetings, proles,<br /><br />Must say I found Dean's remarks about oil quite revealing. You've got to ask the question who now controls Iraq's oil supplies?<br /><br />You may recall that to prepare the British public for the imminent threat of Iraq's WMD Blair cynically ordered troops and tanks onto the streets of London prior to the invasion.<br /><br />I fear that a measure of gullibility induced by reading the Sun/Record/Scotsman etc is the main reason why there is no demand for a truly independent inquiry instead of the Chillcot charade along the same lines as the inquiries into David Kelly's demise and the cash for honours scandal.<br /><br />The same gullibility means that the Labour party, despite all the corruption and incompetence, are still the largest party in Scottish politics.<br /><br />BTW, Tris, I like your new layette but for some reason find it hard to scroll down which means I've actually got to read Niko's comments...brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-85303233001883939302010-08-18T23:26:20.758+01:002010-08-18T23:26:20.758+01:00LOL Dean... I wonder if they ever publish anything...LOL Dean... I wonder if they ever publish anything like that if they won't be "redacted"...for security reasons.<br /><br />Maybe in Mr Goldsmith's memoires.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-66257541280290018112010-08-18T23:24:02.902+01:002010-08-18T23:24:02.902+01:00Ta for the gen...1750 in that body must have made ...Ta for the gen...1750 in that body must have made it very powerful, but I'm still miffed at ye for messing with my joke....<br /><br />.... I don't suppose you ever had a Ford Fiesta did you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-37733899474303633342010-08-18T23:04:49.584+01:002010-08-18T23:04:49.584+01:00It had a 1750 Twin Carb engine, was a secial editi...It had a 1750 Twin Carb engine, was a secial edition sport model, silver with red/orange "Starsky and Hutch" style stripes coming down the back pillar along to a point on the front wings. Actually nicer looking than you might think...I used to always come back to people looking inside it and commenting.<br /><br />They used to talk and slag off a lot of mince about Allegros. Funny one of the things they said about the Equipe was they had porous alloys and that owners used to wake up with flat tyres...I never had one flat tyre, not even a puncture - and all the surviving cars still have the same wheels.Billy Carlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09898259422411934272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-76558652267756591202010-08-18T22:50:25.465+01:002010-08-18T22:50:25.465+01:00I thought there was talk of the minutes of that ca...I thought there was talk of the minutes of that cabinet meeting being published? Whatever came of that, I remember it being talked about a while ago on newsnight ...Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62793952546016301692010-08-18T22:44:44.755+01:002010-08-18T22:44:44.755+01:00Ochhhhhh Billy... you spoiled my allusion to secon...Ochhhhhh Billy... you spoiled my allusion to second hand car salesmen mate LOL...<br /><br />I thought it was good too... humph...<br /><br />£3,500 is a massive amount though considering they must have cost a deal less than that new?<br /><br />Was there something special about the "equipe"... Given that it means "team", was it a sporty model for rallying? What size engine did it have?<br /><br />My mate's granny had an ordinary one, 1100 I think, and he said that it wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding....<br /><br />Mind it was probably old when she got it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-79489273167852427142010-08-18T21:07:07.931+01:002010-08-18T21:07:07.931+01:00Actually Tris - I would buy an Austin Allegro Equi...Actually Tris - I would buy an Austin Allegro Equipe if I could, I used to own one and it was an excellent car. Apparently there are only 9 known to have survived and the last one that was sold went for over £3500.Billy Carlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09898259422411934272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-7553233550189704192010-08-18T20:46:46.316+01:002010-08-18T20:46:46.316+01:00Aye Billy. There’s another mystery.
We find that ...Aye Billy. There’s another mystery.<br /><br />We find that Dr Kelly killed himself while he was depressed having had his wrist slapped for talking out of turn.<br /><br />But we also find that the background to it is SOOOOOOOOOO secret that it must not be released to the public for 70 years. Longer than war documents; longer than top secret things about teh cold war. Longer in fact than any adult now living is likely to live....<br /><br />But honest, there was nothing dodgy about it... now, would anyone like to buy this Austin Allegro.... only 5,000 miles on the clock and genuine leather seats... once owned by Elvis Presley....?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-22707756781256017792010-08-18T20:42:44.519+01:002010-08-18T20:42:44.519+01:00Cynical...
It's hard to remember what lies ha...Cynical...<br /><br />It's hard to remember what lies have been told and of course most of the testimony of the ex cabinet members has been pretty dodgy... "it wasn't me" stuff.<br /><br />But it seems clear that the decision to go to war had already been made at Bush-Blair meetings months before the war started.<br /><br />I always thought it was really surprising that, if Blair really believed that Saddam had WMDs and that they were capable of being launched within 45 minutes that it was foolhardy to say the least to give the man weeks warning that Shock and Awe was about to begin.<br /><br />I suspect that someone who knew that there was a chemical bomb within 45 minutes of hitting you would probably kept the date and the place of the campaign against the enemy a top secret, on teh basis that it would be pretty easy for old Saddy to get one in first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46959035859231815942010-08-18T20:36:34.095+01:002010-08-18T20:36:34.095+01:00Thanks for your comment on the layout Dean. I was ...Thanks for your comment on the layout Dean. I was a bit unsure about it to begin with... but on balance I think it is better. It's always good to hear it from elsewhere though ;¬)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-74332439735583010172010-08-18T20:34:28.810+01:002010-08-18T20:34:28.810+01:00Well Dean, to Blair’s credit he persuaded Bush to ...Well Dean, to Blair’s credit he persuaded Bush to go for a resolution to go to war, rather than rely on the previous one which had a dubious interpretation. However, to his discredit, when it was clear that they would lose that one, they withdrew it (Bush’s people must have been livid with Blair).<br /><br />They had sent people to all the little countries that happened to have a revolving seat on the SC at that time and bribed them with money for airports, weapons, roads, presidential palaces, whatever, to get them to agree, but in the end Russia and China and France scuppered it. Of course France got the blame because it’s not a good idea to fall out with Russia, and as China holds vast amounts of the US’s debt it would be foolish to upset them. So French fries became freedom fries and people stopped buying champagne and Côte du Rhône for a little while...<br /><br />The AG gave a negative. He said it was illegal. Blair sent for him and he changed his mind. An International Lawyer at the FO resigned because she said it was illegal. The Secretary General said it was illegal. Now even people like Mr Howard who voted for it say that he was misled by Tony Blair.<br /><br />As for defence, yes, I heard the 45 minutes thing. Well, all I can say is that I very much hope that the people who came up with that little wheeze were sacked and their pensions were stripped from them. The bloke hadn’t got a bloody pea shooter never mind WMDs that could be deployed within 45 minutes. The Intelligence Services should be renamed the Thick Gits Department.<br /><br />Self Defence? Tut tut. I hope all these civilians who dies and had their homes and businesses shot to pieces and all the women who now have to wear the veil and stay at home and clean the house are impressed that the few rusting old weapons that the country had were such a great threat to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, that Iraq had to be bombed to submission.<br /><br />A shameful act which has endangered our citizens when they travel and the English citizens of London in their day to day lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-3703749618331302932010-08-18T18:42:38.610+01:002010-08-18T18:42:38.610+01:00Blair and his government were involved in the murd...Blair and his government were involved in the murder of Dr Kelly - you don't slap a 70 year secrecy order on a simple suicide and lie on the death certificate.<br /><br />Blair and his government were involved in the murder of the victims of the 7/7 London Bombings and that includes the supposed "suicide" bombers who were shot dead at Canary Wharf.<br /><br />Blair and every other member of the Labour party and every other person involved in these murders should be tried for treason against this country and its people and be given the death penalty.Billy Carlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09898259422411934272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-28142855404717372452010-08-18T17:34:47.585+01:002010-08-18T17:34:47.585+01:00Dean said "The Iraq intervention was never ab...Dean said "The Iraq intervention was never about oil. That is a weak smokescreen put about by those who opposed the war. It is little better than slander and lies."<br /><br />Self ignorance of the truth is no excuse for someone aspiring to enter politics.<br /><br />"President Bush's Cabinet agreed in April 2001 that 'Iraq remains<br />a destabilising influence to the flow of oil to international markets<br />from the Middle East' and because this is an unacceptable risk to<br />the US 'military intervention' is necessary."cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-55147004827877047082010-08-18T15:20:24.198+01:002010-08-18T15:20:24.198+01:00p.s I didn't say, but I like your new layout -...p.s I didn't say, but I like your new layout - much more modern and fancy!Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15100189487696764862010-08-18T14:46:37.255+01:002010-08-18T14:46:37.255+01:00"Sadam’s people suffer far worse tyranny now&..."Sadam’s people suffer far worse tyranny now"<br /><br />Yeh, sure Tris...being able to exercise the right to vote can be a real tyranny ....Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-86818950144006311392010-08-18T14:45:45.851+01:002010-08-18T14:45:45.851+01:00"The UN didn’t give authority to go to war.&q..."The UN didn’t give authority to go to war."<br /><br />I do not accept that legal interpretation. There are legal grounds for the intervention. Not just resolution 1441 but also the right of self defence, which was in play given that our intel services were saying to us and his government Saddam had WMDs [and was someone capable of using them].<br /><br />Oh, and leave Israel out of this, it does NOT break international law.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-52884598498607923092010-08-18T14:24:37.321+01:002010-08-18T14:24:37.321+01:00Thanks for the link cynical. I'll read it late...Thanks for the link cynical. I'll read it later and sign. Have to go do some work now. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com