tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post3889143939655382007..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: IT WISNAE ME: A BIG BOY DONE IT AN' RAN AWAMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39631054646559577732010-03-06T21:36:25.900+00:002010-03-06T21:36:25.900+00:00I've always thought that the sophisticated 21s...I've always thought that the sophisticated 21st century "western" mind might just have thought of a better way to settle scores than do all of the above Brownlie. <br /><br />Somehow it seems inordinately primitive to bomb the hell out of people going about their ordinary lives because you don't like what their leaders are doing.... Terrorism really.<br /><br />And how we squeal when it happens to us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-23173793360608418802010-03-06T21:28:18.718+00:002010-03-06T21:28:18.718+00:00Dean,
To my mind there are three prongs on which...Dean, <br /><br />To my mind there are three prongs on which legality is dependent:<br /><br />1. The murder of innocent men<br />2. The murder of innocent women<br />3. The murder of innocent children<br /><br />By any criteria they are all illegal.brownliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09690872114535168567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-62939231412827027482010-03-06T14:04:16.744+00:002010-03-06T14:04:16.744+00:00PS Dean.... Thanks ... :¬)PS Dean.... Thanks ... :¬)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-28672741399839349912010-03-06T14:03:51.125+00:002010-03-06T14:03:51.125+00:00Dean: At the end of the day, had it gone to a vote...Dean: At the end of the day, had it gone to a vote, it would have been chucked out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-28762247537067434302010-03-06T14:03:20.600+00:002010-03-06T14:03:20.600+00:00Anon: Absolutely amazing, I agree, but nothing whe...Anon: Absolutely amazing, I agree, but nothing when you want to keep in with the big Texan boss in the big White House....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-56691418758875918522010-03-06T13:41:14.058+00:002010-03-06T13:41:14.058+00:00Tris,
I don't know if the case of the Iraq wa...Tris,<br /><br />I don't know if the case of the Iraq war's illegality can be made beyond all reasonable interpretations.<br /><br />To my mind there are three prongs on which legality is dependent:<br /><br />1. The right of pre-emptive actions for self defence [again due to the vague wording of the Charter, this is technically not automatically unjustifiable]<br /><br />2. The breech of resolution 1441 [again, this is dubious at best]<br /><br />3. His breech of the 1991 cease fire, as per two UN resolutions [I forget which, I think one of them was 687]<br /><br />You may not agree, but there is a technically legal case to be had there. But as I say, the question of morality is seperate, and not be conflated with questions of legal interpretation.<br /><br />But good article btwDean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-14018301194700627712010-03-06T13:23:09.171+00:002010-03-06T13:23:09.171+00:00Brown said yesterday that he wasn't too sure a...Brown said yesterday that he wasn't too sure about the legal aspect of the war in Iraq but funded and voted for it anyway. Millions dead and £14Bn wasted with more terrorism created. And he wasn't even sure about the legality of the whole thing as he was kept out of the loop. Scary times we live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-86017034204363571902010-03-06T13:10:59.310+00:002010-03-06T13:10:59.310+00:00Dean.
The United Nations Security Council is flaw...Dean.<br /><br />The United Nations Security Council is flawed, no doubt, but it is what we have, indeed was part of the argument for going to war. Saddam had refused to co-operate with Security Council dictates.<br /><br />So BritAmerica decided they wanted to have a war (it's good for making you look popular when you are crap...witness Mrs Thatcher), and they are thinking of putting it to the Security Council; they send people out to Africa capitals to promise all manner of aid, airports, vanity projects, anything to get them to vote for them. If you support us Excellency, we will give you so many dollars you can build that palace, airport, buy weapons; do whatever you want.....<br /><br />Bribery....and corruption? It would be in any other legal setting.<br /><br />But there is one (or rather three) great big flies in the ointment. Namely France, China and Russia.<br /><br />As the vote in the Security Council was about to come up the weapons inspector Hans Blix asked for extra time. He was fairly sure that there were no wmds, but wanted another couple of weeks to be sure. I remember his speech; he asked for ‘not days but not a month’. President Chirac announced that given that information France would not support an invasion “at this time”. Russia and China agreed with France. The invasion, legally sanctioned by the UN, was dead in the water.<br /><br />But BushBlair weren’t going to be thwarted in their electoral strategy of being war presidents by a few cheese eating surrender monkeys (they always forgot to mention China and Russia, but then, they are a bit big to fall out with. Bullies prefer little targets). No siree. Texans and their poodles don’t tolerate garlicy interference, not when they got themselves a nice big slice of oil field to bring in...<br /><br />And so, believing themselves to be bigger than the UN, the USUK went ahead anyway, with another couple of right wing wingnuts, in the PMs of Spain (Aznar-Lopez) and Italy (nothing criminal about Berlusconi..ahem, allegedly).<br /><br />Now I call that illegal Dean. Yes, the laws are vague, and even clever men like Mr Goldfinger got it a bit wrong when he said it was “illegal, choke, choke splutter, I mean legal of course , wheeze wheeze, sorry Mr Campbell, sir”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-18721729905589197572010-03-06T12:42:21.278+00:002010-03-06T12:42:21.278+00:00Munguin: He went in with all guns blazing apparent...Munguin: He went in with all guns blazing apparently, and hardly gave the inquiry a chance. They are obviously cowed by the likes of Brown and Blair, or rather by their positions, which is what is wrong here.<br /><br />When will people see that Brown, Blair, Cameron, Salmond.... whoever... are just people; they work for us because we elected them; they are nothing special.<br /><br />Oh yes, to get where they got, they are hard working, determined, clever, cunning, whatever, but they are just people. They tie their shoe laces, eat corn flakes and use the bathroom the same as everyone else.<br /><br />We should stop treating them differently.<br /><br />You're probably right. The committee for honours is a bit of a whitewash. If the PM says an honour will be given then it will. Because the committee want honours themsleves maybe. When Mr Brown compared the Olympic Athletes to soldiers in Helmand, and said that they should be recognised in the honours list.... it happened.<br /><br />It's a pity that the soldiers, to whom he compared the likes of Hoy, didn't get any honours. He seemed to forget the apparent (or unapparent to me) similarity after he handed out the baubles to people who won a race with other people cheering them on... just like in Helmand really....????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-1251952432178464042010-03-06T12:12:39.834+00:002010-03-06T12:12:39.834+00:00An illegal war? I would not say so myself, immoral...An illegal war? I would not say so myself, immoral? Yes. <br /><br />My point is not to attempt to justify, it is to highlight the VERY VERY worrying fact that international laws are TOO VAGUE...Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-36474232714592277412010-03-06T09:02:16.867+00:002010-03-06T09:02:16.867+00:00Quite a piece of work eh? I am amazed he did not b...Quite a piece of work eh? I am amazed he did not burst into tears. Acting so wooden it makes the cast of Neighbours look like the royal Shakespeare company. And once again the Chilcot enquiry did not ask the right questions, one thinks back to an episode of “yes minister” where they had an enquiry that was fixed by having the right chairman chasing a gong from the british empire. Is bubbles Brown aware that it is Oscar night tomorrow?Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.com