tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post3726696884636691760..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: HAVE ALISTAIR AND BLAIR LOST THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE FOR CONSORTING WITH THOSE WHO DON'T SHARE LABOUR VALUES?Munguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-36034347982874510072015-08-23T17:44:25.337+01:002015-08-23T17:44:25.337+01:00I agree anon, the YES campaign was too positive. T...I agree anon, the YES campaign was too positive. They should have done a protect fear type thing, showing the dangers of staying in the union, some of which has come to pass.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-24603874065812213062015-08-23T17:40:54.294+01:002015-08-23T17:40:54.294+01:00Seems fair to me, and I would suspect most people....Seems fair to me, and I would suspect most people.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-184741344454738212015-08-23T11:46:48.642+01:002015-08-23T11:46:48.642+01:00At the risk of stirring jim up a bit :p
It wasn&#...At the risk of stirring jim up a bit :p<br /><br />It wasn't just project fear, but project utopia as well. Neither side did themselves any favours. Private Eye did a cover where Yes vision was heaven and No vision was Hell. Whereas the truth was somewhere in between. My argument with the undecided was that in reality, little would change for most people, however, was that we would have a more representative government who would have to listen to us via the ballot box.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-30911207770588091532015-08-23T11:39:47.736+01:002015-08-23T11:39:47.736+01:00jim
I was stating separation from Labour's po...jim<br /><br />I was stating separation from Labour's point of view. They see it as separation. My point is that they must respect the views of those Labour party members who do support independence. <br /><br />My personal view is that any politician who places their party before constituents has no place in Holyrood or Westminster. Something Labour obviously does not believe in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-46341960133888976742015-08-22T21:20:02.143+01:002015-08-22T21:20:02.143+01:00That may be about to change.That may be about to change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33864731386216331522015-08-22T21:19:21.567+01:002015-08-22T21:19:21.567+01:00What??????What??????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-58518548009767512132015-08-22T16:58:47.937+01:002015-08-22T16:58:47.937+01:00Labour values are much the same as most other part...Labour values are much the same as most other parties-as long as their is value to be had milking an apathetic electorate they will continue to do so,hand in hand with their good friends and partners in crime,the banksters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-50358685939878161662015-08-22T10:43:28.793+01:002015-08-22T10:43:28.793+01:00That's a matter of opinion. The Cold War I'...That's a matter of opinion. The Cold War I'd say was "won" if it was at all, by Gorbachev, who decided to bring the Soviet Union into the 20th century, and presumably Ronnie who went along with it. <br /><br />I think too that you must consider the damage that she did in taming the miners. She destroyed communities. She started so many things that Major, Blair and Brwon and now the Eton Boy have developed. most of them were bad.<br /><br />Most of all the title bitch will be her's forever, because of the fact that she knew about and did nothing about the sexual perversions of some of her cabinet members, advisers adn others in the establishment.<br /><br />How many children dies becasue of it?<br /><br />She built a new England, she lost Scotland for the Conservatives, but it was an England that's rather shabby and spiv like. It's all about money, not about care or compassion.<br /><br />Thatcher was a woman who was determined to get on, and get on she did. She was relatively bright (you don't get a double first in chemistry and law even at Oxford without being quite clever) and she was also a workaholic becasue she had nothing else. She had no friends, little relationship with her family and no outside interests.<br /><br />Most of all she had an iron will and a strong personality. Added to the ridiculous deference given to prime ministers, and the fact that most of her cabinet were either weak, useless idiots or had great secrets to hide, she ruled them with an iron rod.<br /><br />She was indeed a bitch, and that is praising her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-12359252361469401222015-08-22T10:33:42.834+01:002015-08-22T10:33:42.834+01:00As do all communist scumbags.As do all communist scumbags.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-54505104384911229452015-08-22T10:31:13.621+01:002015-08-22T10:31:13.621+01:00Great argument between loyalty to party manifesto ...Great argument between loyalty to party manifesto and loyalty to constituents.<br /><br />I reckon that it is rare that the constituents really make their feelings well known... and in any case, as you must represent not just YOUR voters, but also the people who voted against you, it is probably impossible to do that.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-74301981308593223372015-08-22T10:27:22.441+01:002015-08-22T10:27:22.441+01:00Well, we must remember that it wasn't ALL the ...Well, we must remember that it wasn't ALL the old. I spent referendum day taking old folk, some of whom could hardly walk, to vote for independence.<br /><br />But there is no doubt that the younger the demographic, the more enthusiasm for independence, so the likelihood is that it will come.<br /><br />But Jim's right. Many of the old would never have worried about their pensions if people like Gordon Brown hadn't told them they would be left penniless.<br /><br />What a completely stupid idea, but people believed it. I think it's true to say that older people tend to have a built in respect for "authority"... politicians, whereas younger ones know perfectly well that they are, by and large, not worthy of that respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-31401888611371532452015-08-22T09:04:15.919+01:002015-08-22T09:04:15.919+01:00She was the bitch who helped win the cold war and ...She was the bitch who helped win the cold war and kept Scargill's communist thugs in their place , a great woman .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-91598175904544920762015-08-22T06:15:20.510+01:002015-08-22T06:15:20.510+01:00Douglas, it was not the "old that sold it&quo...Douglas, it was not the "old that sold it", it was the lying snake oil sales men/women, from project fear; aka I'm alright in my cosy little world of British politics. Though a shed load of them got a reality check in may.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-64497882661294805072015-08-22T00:57:16.389+01:002015-08-22T00:57:16.389+01:00My views are in flux on an elected members loyalti...My views are in flux on an elected members loyalties. The Party elected should represent those who elected it. The government should represent every citizen. But the individual members should stand as independents if they want it to be "their" views they are elected on. <br /><br />I think people who take the party's money and help to get elected should not be so arrogant as to think its not the "party" which was elected.<br /><br />Yes we want personalities. But we vote for Parties. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-41222109061443095272015-08-22T00:53:42.071+01:002015-08-22T00:53:42.071+01:00Her greatest achievement was the Scottish Cringe. ...Her greatest achievement was the Scottish Cringe. Whilst we must, I find it hard to excuse anyone who voted no.<br /><br />I have no idea what it would take for say 15% of the Scottish electorate to appreciate that they are worshipping at her shrine. Because, whether they would acknowledge it or not, whether they are Labour or Liberal or pensionable Tories, that is exactly what they are doing.<br /><br />They have sold their independent thought processes to a mausoleum. The Gloriana of a state that hasn't existed for a hundred years or more. And, frankly, should never have existed in a better world.<br /><br />Theirs is a sin against sense or independent thought.<br /><br />(In the atheistic sense, obviously)<br /><br />But these are the folk that <i>believe</i> in a narrative that many Scots have seen through.<br /><br />The question is, what woud it take for some of them to jump?<br /><br />I have no answer to that.<br /><br />Except perhaps that as my generation dies off, with its fears of pension loss, it's ridiculous fealty to the crown, it's belief in print journalism, it's abject belief in 'we're all in it together' or we should just keep a stiff upper lip whilst the Tories rape our country in the name of a few?<br /><br />My generation let you all down. It was the old that sold it.<br /><br />Hopefully, the impending death of print journalism, their inability to recognise alternative voices, the general contempt for the BBC, etc, etc. means that our future is brighter that what a lot of old codgers seems to think it is.<br /><br />I know this is a bit of a rant.<br /><br />But the future is bright, the future is a Saint Andrews Cross flying at the United Nations.<br /><br />That, tris, is the dream.<br /><br />I hope to see it sometime sooner that later.<br /><br /><br /><br />douglas clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11422060678908705962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-83085138973590277692015-08-21T22:41:53.699+01:002015-08-21T22:41:53.699+01:00Thatcher said that her greatest achievement was Bl...Thatcher said that her greatest achievement was Blair. That should tell you all you need to know about him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-32135484386071446792015-08-21T22:40:25.398+01:002015-08-21T22:40:25.398+01:00Yes. Most cases about double I think at Cabinet le...Yes. Most cases about double I think at Cabinet level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-49208020191645999772015-08-21T22:34:27.932+01:002015-08-21T22:34:27.932+01:00Eh? Independence is not separation, it is integrat...Eh? Independence is not separation, it is integration; with all the other independent countries of the world.<br />The great change in 79, from a useless Labour government, to an evil Tory one. Thatcher would have been out on her iron arse in 83, if the Argentinians hadn't invaded a group of islands few people had heard about. Her first term was an unmitigated disaster, for Tory lovers, the rest of her time was a disaster for every one else; we are still paying for her little social engineering experiment. And Blair was a twat too.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-42559545547031911902015-08-21T22:26:22.927+01:002015-08-21T22:26:22.927+01:00Remember, if you're a minister you get more ca...Remember, if you're a minister you get more cash.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15660935118254328782015-08-21T22:24:48.876+01:002015-08-21T22:24:48.876+01:00Wrong species, she was a bitch.Wrong species, she was a bitch.jimnarlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02231790902689695587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-13568136118621205172015-08-21T21:47:42.605+01:002015-08-21T21:47:42.605+01:00Exactly...what is best for the current leadership ...Exactly...what is best for the current leadership of the Labour party. <br /><br />What is best for Harman, Blair, and the rest of the quasi Tory party that only cares what the floating SE voter thinks.<br /><br />MPs are there to do their jobs for their constituents. I can understand party loyalty when they party means something, but putting the party above everything is just a nonsense, and actually equates to putting their own careers above everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-56005070041413149042015-08-21T21:43:12.437+01:002015-08-21T21:43:12.437+01:00That's probably what causes all those earthqua...That's probably what causes all those earthquakes we have been having. I'd expect top see steam coming out of the ground.... He wasn't buried in Iceland was he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-29231008741466930482015-08-21T21:42:08.062+01:002015-08-21T21:42:08.062+01:00Brian, save them to your computer; go to Twitter, ...Brian, save them to your computer; go to Twitter, and in your tweet box, click on the photo symbol...<br /><br />Easy, but also a great idea! let's do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-79034855853792055432015-08-21T21:40:44.547+01:002015-08-21T21:40:44.547+01:00Someone was pointing out that Corbyn's policie...Someone was pointing out that Corbyn's policies are not incredibly different from some that Blair was elected on in 1997. Renationalisation of the railways, for example. Blair also admitted that Trident was just a status symbol to keep the Uk at the top table, but was but had no real strategic purpose.<br /><br />I don't get Tories who aren't somewhere in the top 10%. Why would anyone who wasn't rich and able to benefit from the tax breaks vote for them? Why would anyone who could find themselves out of a job without an old school tie to get them a new one... on a few hundred thousand in the bank to tide them over, ever want a situation where they could actually starve to death? Why would anyone who couldn't afford real private health care want their health service run for profit?<br /><br />It's mad!<br /><br />I'm still getting letters from the Tories occasionally after I showed an interest on one of their pre election pleas for money. Mind you they still think I'm called Peregrine Fotherington-Smythe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-11780633769198354382015-08-21T21:32:33.794+01:002015-08-21T21:32:33.794+01:00Well, he may be a bit Islington, but he's a go...Well, he may be a bit Islington, but he's a good laugh, and he does tear the Tories to pieces on every show he's ever on. I heard he was on Any Questions tonight, along with Corbyn. I bet that was good!<br /><br />I think it will be interesting to see how the members, newbies as well as originals will vote about things in the conference this year. I don;t think anyone would suggest for a minute that it is business as usual when your membership quadruples over night.<br /><br />I think that the SNP may have some problems, some disgruntled members and some people will leave. But I'm always a pessimist!<br /><br />It will be interesting to find out eventually what Ms Dugdale's policies will be dependent on which leader she has to work for.<br /><br />It's time for a change though, and Corbyn just could be that change we all need. How the right wing will take it, I don't know. I wonder who will serve in his shadow cabinet. I wonder what all the New Labourites will do, now that the House of Lords will be out of reach.<br /><br />But probably Cameron is dreading that they will pull together. A real opposition working with the other parties (SNP, Plaid, Greens, etc) could vote down Cameron's agenda.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com