tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post2252478954396204754..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: SO IT WAS UNION DAY...Munguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-24966778980872479052015-09-20T22:18:02.375+01:002015-09-20T22:18:02.375+01:00There were a few polls that gave YES a lead, but o...There were a few polls that gave YES a lead, but on average they predicted a NO win. We're roughly 50/50 now. Seeing as we were as low as 27% a few years back I would consider that reasonable progress. :)smerralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00485958340415489602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-34370345137566505802015-09-20T08:43:27.193+01:002015-09-20T08:43:27.193+01:00Many polls suggested a yes lead even before the re...Many polls suggested a yes lead even before the referendum, some folks had to learn the hard way asking 0.05% of Scotland what they want gives different results to when you ask 85%. Well I say learned, clearly there's plenty that didn't and likely never will.gav smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04452966101461916650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-83645590498283504322015-09-19T23:12:38.628+01:002015-09-19T23:12:38.628+01:00Yes. It's a part of the “no such thing as soc...Yes. It's a part of the “no such thing as society” and “selfish gene” myths, where only me and mine and their future can matter. <br /><br />All kinds of experiences get us caring about all kinds of things, and the ways having and/or raising kids changes us, are so different for different folk. Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-51735880766207709892015-09-19T21:27:13.621+01:002015-09-19T21:27:13.621+01:00Of course there are people on the NO side who have...Of course there are people on the NO side who have no children too. Are their opinions equally invalid because they have no children?<br /><br />And what of all the YES advocates who do have children?<br /><br />The argument is stupid, insulting and beneath contempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-30154516116916285002015-09-19T21:23:38.822+01:002015-09-19T21:23:38.822+01:00Saor...
Jim didn;t really complain. I think he ma...Saor...<br /><br />Jim didn;t really complain. I think he made a valid point We were getting comments form Anon, some of them were rational, thought out, etc, and some were raving zoomer stuff. And there was stuff in between. It cased some confusions I thought it was a good idea that we get people to sign their stuff, so that we could distinguish who was who, without that person having to give a REAL name if they didn't want to.<br /><br />I agree with all you said there. <br /><br />Can't really add much to that. It's bang on.<br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-69913197680206696562015-09-19T21:18:13.907+01:002015-09-19T21:18:13.907+01:00OK... Get the spare paint brush out and I'll c...OK... Get the spare paint brush out and I'll come round with Munguin.<br /><br />I only went out for a little while anyway. Not that I was in the pub getting legless...<br /><br />I'm not sure what effect the Vow had. It was certainly intended to have an effect. A couple of weeks before the vote they promised what they had ruled out at Edinburgh.<br /><br />Polling by Ashcroft seemed to show that many people had been affected by it, given who had promised it, adn the passion with which it was done. Surely an ex-prime minister wouldn't allow them to wiggle out of it.<br /><br />Oh we;ll.<br /><br />However, I'm absolutely certain that there were other things that affected it.<br /><br />The question of the currency for example. There's no doubt that, logical and correct though Salmond's arguments were, Darling scored good points (possibly his only ever) on the currency situation.<br /><br />Yet, it is also said that the tide really started to turn when the Coke man turned up in Edinburgh to tell us we couldn't use our currency after separation. He, the towel folder, wouldn't allow it.<br /><br />We need better arguments for this next time; ones that people will understand.<br /><br />I'm sure there are many more. We need a better organised campaign... and as one of our readers suggested, a great network of organisations really working together.<br /><br />We could probably do without the BBC!<br /><br />But unless something magical happens we need to learn to live with it.<br /><br />I bet there are some pretty good brains working on it now, learning lessons, as they say. I certainly hope so!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-16441554735613180382015-09-19T18:59:05.234+01:002015-09-19T18:59:05.234+01:00Out of a Saturday night? Shocking, I have spare pa...Out of a Saturday night? Shocking, I have spare paint brushes available, only one outside wall to go.......<br /><br />zog<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-68842608224880740572015-09-19T18:28:21.813+01:002015-09-19T18:28:21.813+01:00Take my vote away, only people who've reprodu...Take my vote away, only people who've reproduced could care about our future enough to have the right to vote. FFS. Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-56196905658407487832015-09-19T17:13:44.215+01:002015-09-19T17:13:44.215+01:00Both. Caus JimNArlene complained!
Saor AlbaBoth. Caus JimNArlene complained!<br /><br />Saor AlbaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-54571494689570716752015-09-19T17:12:41.502+01:002015-09-19T17:12:41.502+01:00Maybe they want a country where the children of ot...Maybe they want a country where the children of other Scots don't have to leave. <br /><br />Our population has to all intents been static for 50 years. That of the UK has grown around 20%.<br /><br />Saor AlbaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-90075870218803682472015-09-19T16:59:44.778+01:002015-09-19T16:59:44.778+01:00Next you'll be doing a Blair McDougall and tel...Next you'll be doing a Blair McDougall and telling us YES voters don't love their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-49758526791402538372015-09-19T16:58:33.390+01:002015-09-19T16:58:33.390+01:00I'm just off out. I'll reply later Zog and...I'm just off out. I'll reply later Zog and Saor Allba (was that a Nik?, or just a wish?:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-34237482073975497472015-09-19T16:56:30.046+01:002015-09-19T16:56:30.046+01:00Stay classy, Robbo.Stay classy, Robbo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-48016644015937630202015-09-19T14:57:36.628+01:002015-09-19T14:57:36.628+01:00I would somewhat agree with Zog.
However, if we t...I would somewhat agree with Zog.<br /><br />However, if we take a view that it going to be several years until we get another go, perhaps the best thing is to devote effort to producing informative literature which can be used for the next campaign when it comes.<br /><br />The WBB was a godsend, yet it was not endorsed by Yes or the SNP. And I really believe it was a grassroots movement which got us to the brink, not Yes nor the SNP. <br /><br />I was handing out CND stuff, and green stuff, but nothing which was designed to appeal to natural conservatives. The pensions issue was a disaster, and yet it could have been handled so much better. We had lots of infantry and no ammunition. <br /><br />I put my hand up, I did not get active until the few weeks before the vote, but we so could have done more. I was told there was literature in immigrant languages, but I saw none. I do not believe vilification of "tories" was a vote winner - and I do believe the opportunities of independence will actually help lots of those who think that way get richer. More business, no Etonian glass ceiling, getting the land out of the aristocracy's hands.<br /><br />Little bits of pocket shrapnel put away in jars mounts up. Money is going to be needed in 6 years time. You may even want to print your own literature. So save for the sunny day. <br /><br />But don't surrender. The campaign showed that without a doubt, they need us way more than we need them. In a few more years, the EU may have evolved more, Catalunya may have seceded but stayed in. The pensions fraud will become even more apparent. And oil will be back up in price. Labour will struggle to recover - and likely be in turmoil when they lose again in 5 years time - to Osborne/May or Johnston ( none of whom is Jockaphile ).<br /><br />2021. Now do the research. Join a yes party - to learn how to canvass, and to meet others of like mind. Prepare better, more diverse literature. If the UK doesn't give on FFA, it will lose even an unofficial plebiscite - at which point we can lawfully rebel.<br /><br />This is a winable fight. We were cheated, and if we are honest, we could have done with a bit better leadership ( no criticism of AS, whom I respect greatly and admire - but I don't think he believed he could actually win). But if we want to be free, we have to do it ourselves. We cannot leave it to others. Nicola has that bit right. We can only try again when we are certain to win. <br /><br />Saor AlbaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-87110161858776636872015-09-19T14:05:56.113+01:002015-09-19T14:05:56.113+01:00I don't believe the "Vow" had a crit...I don't believe the "Vow" had a critical impact to be honest. There seems to be a tendency for some Yes supporters to use this as the main reason for losing, rather than being honest and looking at where the Yes arguments either fell over or were too woolly (ie Currency).<br /><br />However, there is little point in going over old arguments, as you can't change the result.<br /><br />The problem now is deciding when a second referendum can be held. However you look at the polls, the bottom line is that the country is still split 50/50. For Nicola to be certain of victory you need consistent polls around the 60/40 as a minimum. Another problem is that Cameron can ignore any demands for a second referendum. Why should he be bothered? Labour are not going to win enough seats in England with Corbyn in place. And while I had hopes for him, he's turning out to be a walking disaster as far as the media are concerned, especially with some of his shadow cabinet appointees and their rather colourful pasts and comments.<br /><br />Is independence still possible? Absolutely yes. So why am I being pessimistic? Because I can't see a groundswell of public opinion screaming for change. The SNP destroyed their opponents in the last election, and will do so next year. But the number of people voting for the SNP is still roughly half. Something is missing. Nicola was absolutely correct when she highlighted that however much we scream and shout, it will always be the 45. Something needs to be done to persuade the No voters. My own view is that we need to stop blaming Westminster for everything that goes wrong. It is starting to mirror the "SNP bad" bollocks that comes out every 5 minutes. The focus needs to be on the achievements of the Scottish Parliament and what it has and can deliver with the current powers. Then use that as the base on which to show what can be possible.<br /><br />Anyway, back to the damned painting.................<br /><br />zogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-15763036253885927672015-09-19T12:59:07.182+01:002015-09-19T12:59:07.182+01:00I often wonder about salmond and sturgeon going on...I often wonder about salmond and sturgeon going on about the future of scotland, when they have no investment in it ie chidless!robbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-31086031484618054892015-09-19T12:54:15.574+01:002015-09-19T12:54:15.574+01:00Yes true Panda.Yes true Panda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33579822001030822092015-09-19T11:53:37.196+01:002015-09-19T11:53:37.196+01:00Marcia sa I said above, before reading your post.Marcia sa I said above, before reading your post.Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-30107681006842294492015-09-19T11:52:42.092+01:002015-09-19T11:52:42.092+01:00The key Tris is not in the raw data and the questi...The key Tris is not in the raw data and the questioning necessarily, but in the weighting. I think Scot Goes Pop has highlighted this.<br /><br />My money is on a real 55 / 45 split in favour of YES. = or - a small part.Bugger le Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924663556503952533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-64720351101781122922015-09-19T11:11:45.912+01:002015-09-19T11:11:45.912+01:00Well I always knew I was on the correct side, but ...Well I always knew I was on the correct side, but if anyone wanted to be sure that would have made them. Who would want to be associated with that riot.<br />Wish I could go to the Rally today but dog problems, the dog is the problem, would not want to take him into the crowd expected and cannot leave him at home.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03930463301985234273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-41155839192214679102015-09-19T10:36:33.001+01:002015-09-19T10:36:33.001+01:00True.
Anon: I can heartily recommend this blog fo...True.<br /><br />Anon: I can heartily recommend this blog for continuing information on polls and and analysis thereof.<br /><br />http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-30108872667098553542015-09-19T10:35:07.258+01:002015-09-19T10:35:07.258+01:00Exactly. The shift slowly because event by event, ...Exactly. The shift slowly because event by event, insult by insult, people are persuaded.<br /><br />At the moment it's more or less 50-50.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-33447339569882418832015-09-19T10:32:45.884+01:002015-09-19T10:32:45.884+01:00Some are, I suspect. Some are not. But the movemen...Some are, I suspect. Some are not. But the movement is there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-58035700661629582332015-09-19T10:32:09.470+01:002015-09-19T10:32:09.470+01:00They have.They have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-81775434243863654772015-09-19T08:44:27.632+01:002015-09-19T08:44:27.632+01:00Obviously the first poster doesn't visit Scot ...Obviously the first poster doesn't visit Scot Goes Pop oftenMarcianoreply@blogger.com