tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post2212623599407545347..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THE POOR, EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE BUSYMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-49221092438265988542013-11-15T21:40:19.395+00:002013-11-15T21:40:19.395+00:00Braco:
Tris's mum says thank you; it was a ni...Braco:<br /><br />Tris's mum says thank you; it was a nice apology and she will continue to read your comments because they are usually full of good common sense!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-25572166478543597362013-11-15T14:31:25.680+00:002013-11-15T14:31:25.680+00:00I do hope it will be.
Looking at some of the thin...I do hope it will be.<br /><br />Looking at some of the things that are happening in England, I despair of the idea of of our laws having to come into line with them.<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/councils-to-be-given-powers-to-ban-peaceful-protests-that-might-disturb-local-residents-8940535.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-90659108720815705772013-11-15T00:15:46.219+00:002013-11-15T00:15:46.219+00:00Tris,
absolutely correct.
I think this is the me...Tris,<br />absolutely correct. <br /><br />I think this is the message that is going to slowly filter into the general Scottish electoral consciousness, the closer and closer we come to making the decision on the best future direction to take for our Country. <br /><br />Things like Labour's abject moral failure to stand up and fight for their supposed principles, never mind constituents, will be used to help judge how we can expect the party that Scotland has traditionally relied on to civilise Westminster, to act in the future.<br /><br />That's why these moments become iconic. They capture the watershed that has been occurring slowly over time in the electorates view of a party, and then nails that realisation down HARD! <br /><br />It's actually all the past years of betrayal of principle and arrogance that is the real cause, but things like yesterdays vote just break the camel's back. <br /><br />That's why Dean and Niko can't see it. For them it's just another straw, what's all the fuss about? <br /><br />The Labour Party, and therefor the UK that they are supposed to be the progressive force within, will be judged very harshly! Especially against the reasoned and optimistic future being painted by the folk who have already delivered on free education, elderly care, health service protection, council house building etc etc....<br /><br />I do think it's going to be a strong YES vote, come the time.<br /><br />braco<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-435309366373288612013-11-14T22:10:28.004+00:002013-11-14T22:10:28.004+00:00Hey braco... it's really not a big deal. :)Hey braco... it's really not a big deal. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-84668129024673542013-11-14T22:10:05.876+00:002013-11-14T22:10:05.876+00:00I don't think that people who refuse to engage...I don't think that people who refuse to engage with the arguments that Yes are putting forward about the union, have taken into consideration what it’s happening, little by little, slowly but surely.<br /><br />The government of the Uk has developed more and more in the American model of private enterprise; the devil take the hindmost and the churches can look after the very poor.<br /><br />Only there isn't any church in the Uk. The big society that was supposed to take over from the state doesn’t exist, because most of us are far too involved in ourselves and our own needs and wants.<br /><br />Scotland devolved has managed to escape quite a bit of that so far, but it's only a matter of time (and a no vote would accelerate that) and we will have to cut our cloth according to the English dictates. The amount we get from England to finance our expenditure.<br /><br />Our free health service will go; our free education will go; our care will go, and we will end up with thousands of people dying for the want of attention in our hospitals, as they are already doing in England. Hospitals running out of money for the folly of PPS off the books spending under Brown are closing down. There is no money to keep them afloat. And rich people don’t use them anyway, so what the hell.<br /><br />Welfare, or Social Security, call it what you will, will became something that people at the bottom beg for, and are spat upon for needing. Skivers not strivers, never mind that they have cancer or Parkinson’s. ‘They could do something if they just pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and stopped scrounging from hardworking financiers’ will say the likes of the Tory MP who demanded that those people who couldn’t afford the bedroom tax increase simply get more hours.<br /><br />The SNP can't stop that happening. Labour doesn't appear to want to. The Liberals are a dead party. They may as well amalgamate with the Tories. And the Tories only want Scotland for the subsidy it provides.<br /><br />In 50- 100 years time when the oil is gone (maybe) they may well get rid of us.<br />It’s not a joke. It gets worse by the day and even if Labour wanted to reverse the education bills, and the privatised health, they couldn't afford to. You can bet these private companies will have it sewn up so tight.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-55639196930088204882013-11-14T21:18:11.078+00:002013-11-14T21:18:11.078+00:00Tris's Mum,
my sincere apologies.
bracoTris's Mum,<br />my sincere apologies.<br /><br />braco<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-27656180747539556282013-11-14T21:09:33.912+00:002013-11-14T21:09:33.912+00:00Dean,
this is not some political game where you g...Dean, <br />this is not some political game where you get to slide down the morality snake and then throw the dice and start again. <br /><br />This is a FIGHT! <br /><br />Every time you refuse to fight, and tell yourself you would have lost anyway, makes the next fight less likely. And the next... and the next. <br /><br />That's true with real physical shit as well as the more cerebral, political end of a person's moral stance. You, Niko and your political organisation of choice, yesterday, decided not to bother to fight. Tell yourself all the reasons and excuses you like. <br /><br />That's why this pairing crap, as an excuse, makes the whole thing worse, not better! <br /><br />Christ, there wasn't even a black eye or a fat lip on the table, (apparently though, there was a nice vegetarian dish and a good bottle of wine for brave defender of the poor, down trodden and needy, the Rt Hon. Jim Murphy MP. Unfortunately it was in Glasgow, not London)!<br /><br />I do not believe either of you two would be holding this position without the constitutional pressures being felt by Unionist's, such as yourselves, up here in Scotland. Good English and Welsh socialists seem to be having no difficulty at all decrying the hypocrites from last nights vote, so you have obviously made your choice. 'BetterTogether' indeed.<br /><br />I am all grown up Dean, I am calm and I am angry. You and Niko have passed over a threshold and into another moral world. I recognise it from the last time I witnessed it, back in the mid eighties. <br /><br />Nasty breeds nasty, so don't be complaining.<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-17443243926768518272013-11-14T20:38:43.353+00:002013-11-14T20:38:43.353+00:00braco, don't worry my friend.
I swear too som...braco, don't worry my friend.<br /><br />I swear too sometimes. But I just like t keep a check on it, because otherwise it can become a fest of swearing...and some people really dislike that.<br /><br />Not to mention that me mum reads all the stuff! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-25025175148936314632013-11-14T20:28:37.025+00:002013-11-14T20:28:37.025+00:00Tris,
my apologies for the language. Unfortunately...Tris,<br />my apologies for the language. Unfortunately my feelings remain the same.<br /><br />braco Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-35007732785445939792013-11-14T14:51:57.224+00:002013-11-14T14:51:57.224+00:00Especially when they see just how completely vapid...Especially when they see just how completely vapid that woman is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-1542874833449238052013-11-14T14:50:38.495+00:002013-11-14T14:50:38.495+00:00YAY... you're back.
We've been worried ab...YAY... you're back.<br /><br />We've been worried about you.<br /><br />Hope you are feeling better.<br /><br />Yeah, that was a big mistake.<br /><br />I suppose his constituency has got used to the fact that he simply doesn't represent them in parliament any more.<br /><br />So any of your paying bedroom tax in K+C, tough! He didn't care enough to go press your case and see if he couldn't turn the stone cold hearts of some liberals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-36877121838766450342013-11-14T13:18:30.733+00:002013-11-14T13:18:30.733+00:00Dean
If you can write off what your party did the...Dean<br /><br />If you can write off what your party did the other night then I am afraid you have already lost. Run Dunfermline today and would the result be the same, I don't think so.<br /><br />bruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-31457651287158867212013-11-14T13:05:51.102+00:002013-11-14T13:05:51.102+00:00I enjoyed that!I enjoyed that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-40098739808120512562013-11-14T13:05:21.960+00:002013-11-14T13:05:21.960+00:00The argument that there was no point in these peop...The argument that there was no point in these people turning up, because for every YES that turned up, a NO would have done so, simply indicated that these debates are a waste of time...and our money.<br /><br />Added to this, this pairing system is not allowed for important debated. Presumably the Whips must decide what is, and what is not "important".<br /><br />This was clearly not considered important.<br /><br />I wonder, had we been discussing MPs housing allowances, would they have considered that to be so unimportant?<br /><br />On thing I would ask of you though, respectfully, is if we could ditch the F word.<br /><br />I know everyone uses it these days, but it still offends some, and I certainly not like to discourage readers.<br /><br />I don't mind it occasionally guys, but, it can become habitual.<br /><br />Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-2906136765898211822013-11-14T13:00:42.272+00:002013-11-14T13:00:42.272+00:00I always have taken the view that everyone is enti...I always have taken the view that everyone is entitled to his opinion.<br /><br />And that is the ethos on which Munguin's Republic works.<br /><br />I take the view that debate in parliament; all these fine speeches, is about trying to convince people of the various causes.<br /><br />From the right we heard members suggesting that folk who had to pay up more should simply take on another 2 or 3 hours of work. This presumably would be from Tories who had never had to try to persuade Tesco that in order to pay their rent they would have to have some more hours. It’s the “Please sir, can I have some more” economic argument. Perhaps the MP who said that should remember that the organisations who employ people on such niggardly wages that mean that they cannot pay their rent without resort to begging from help, are not charities, but commercial enterprises whose whole raison d’être is to make more money than last year (otherwise the CEO gets the bullet).<br /><br />On the other hand, we had Labour MPs talking of their brothers living in penury, using his spare bedroom as a dialysis unit to keep him alive. (It does occur to me that maybe he should pay his brother’s extra out of his enormous salary, but that’s another matter, and not everyone has a brother with a massive income). <br /><br />Surely the whole purpose of these speeches is that they try to convince others of their points of view.<br /><br />Most feeling or compassionate or probably even educated people would think that the idea that someone could find another 3 hours of work to pay out for a bedroom that they may or may not need but can’t get rid of because no one in authority ever thought to build suitable housing for people who didn’t make vast profits out of the property boom, pretty ridiculous, for reasons already mentioned. (As a side note to that, if employers like Tesco did increase the hours of employees, they would at the same time reduce the number of employees, putting up the unemployment figures and costing even more money.)<br /><br />Most of the same bunch would think that a bloke who needs a second bedroom to keep him alive shouldn’t really have to pay an extra £15 a week for it.<br /><br />So, the idea of a debate is that you try to convince people of the rights and wrongs.<br /><br />It is unlikely that many Tories would have changed their minds. It is possible that there are still a few Liberals who might have.<br /><br />The argument that the numbers were stacked one way or another doesn’t actually hold…unless you think that there is no point whatsoever in having debates. One Labour activist (as pointed out by James Kelly) said that Labour did it to save money for the state. What was the point in MPs travelling to London for this debate when the result was a foregone conclusion?<br /><br />My question then (and James’s) would be to ask the activist, if, given that there is a majority government in the coalition, what the hell was the point of anyone turning up for any debate, ever, and why, when the result was already known, did Labour call for the debate in the first place?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-78761653898797358962013-11-14T12:40:20.805+00:002013-11-14T12:40:20.805+00:00Ha ha... good one there James. Candidate for Macha...Ha ha... good one there James. Candidate for Machar...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-65594359604908682762013-11-14T12:06:16.378+00:002013-11-14T12:06:16.378+00:00I'm a fucking disgrace for not getting knicker...I'm a fucking disgrace for not getting knickers in a twist over a vote we COULD NOT have won?<br /><br />Grow up mate, then come back to me when you calm down.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-53938133940292046102013-11-14T11:25:08.027+00:002013-11-14T11:25:08.027+00:00Niko & Dean - thank you for introducing me to ...Niko & Dean - thank you for introducing me to a genuinely new experience. For the first time in my life I find myself less than delighted to see a pair of tits.<br /><br />Even if they could not have won the vote, they should have debated it and declared themselves as standing for this taxes victims. Even Anas Sarwar, who demanded that Nicola Sturgeon sign a motion for this very vote, couldn't even be arsed to turn up. And now you two turn up, positively aglow, that the "fake outrage" is funny to watch. I am sure those who will be made homeless by this tax or pushed further into poverty paying it, also find it highly amusing as well.<br /><br />I end this with an ode to those Labour MPs who ducked the debate:<br /><br />Brave Sir Sarwar ran away.<br />Bravely ran away, away!<br />When danger reared its ugly head, <br />He bravely turned his tail and fled.<br />Yes, brave Sir Sarwar turned about<br />And gallantly he chickened out.<br />Bravely taking to his feet<br />He beat a very brave retreat,<br />Bravest of the brave, Sir Sarwar!<br />He is packing it in and packing it up<br />And sneaking away and buggering up<br />And chickening out and pissing off home,<br />Yes, bravely he throwing in the sponge... <br /><br />James Mortonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39926294972569570002013-11-14T11:04:08.417+00:002013-11-14T11:04:08.417+00:00Niko,
so glad to see that you agree with the terri...Niko,<br />so glad to see that you agree with the terribly civilised gentlemen's agreements made over a port and cigar. Members of the club really should stick together, makes life so much easier don't you know. <br /><br />Why rock the boat over something as inconsequential as political principle? It's only about the desperately poor and a few invalids after all.<br /><br />You and Dean are a fucking disgrace! <br /><br />CynicalHighlander has defended the pair of yous in the past, and I was of a similar mind before, but you pair have stepped over the moral line here! <br /><br />Good luck with that, I hope the love of this 'Union' is worth giving up all pretence of being a decent, caring, socially aware human being. <br /><br />You especially Niko, with your kid on socialism and outraged 'hate' for the Tories. Hypocrite. <br /><br />bracoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-64956150539354262902013-11-13T21:58:02.461+00:002013-11-13T21:58:02.461+00:00Interview with Renegade Economist click on Renegad...<a href="http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/11/interview-with-renegade-economist/" rel="nofollow">Interview with Renegade Economist</a> click on Renegade economist below video to view.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-8486859013113031522013-11-13T21:04:14.604+00:002013-11-13T21:04:14.604+00:00No Niko, there's plenty more.
Today your sid...No Niko, there's plenty more. <br /><br />Today your side said that if we voted for independence the V + A wouldn't get any exhibitions from London.<br /><br />Today the V + A said that that was a lie.<br /><br />That's just the ones we have heard of today.<br /><br />Oh yeah, The Tories are getting rid of human rights.and if we are part of this mess, we won't have any either.<br /><br />That's all the ones I've seen today.<br /><br />Even if this doesn't make any difference, what your people have said is, we will call this debate, waste an afternoon of parliamentary time and as the government will win anyway, we won't even go along and show our disgust.<br /><br />After all the lower orders can wait another 2 years till we MAY be in power. It doesn't really matter. it's not going to be too cold on the street s this winter. The forecast is good.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-39993343097022149262013-11-13T20:59:20.937+00:002013-11-13T20:59:20.937+00:00Dean. They are not allowed to use pairing on matte...Dean. They are not allowed to use pairing on matters of importance.<br /><br />Are you saying that Labour and the Tories agreed that this wasn't important?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-52000035633501656472013-11-13T20:43:25.000+00:002013-11-13T20:43:25.000+00:00Shocking.Shocking.Jutemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061671774494923407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-11097835614629825572013-11-13T20:29:01.361+00:002013-11-13T20:29:01.361+00:00What is this pairing system Dean and how does that...What is this pairing system Dean and how does that fit in a supposed democracy, answers on one side of an A4 paper will suffice.cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-19132194967601524952013-11-13T20:24:38.364+00:002013-11-13T20:24:38.364+00:00Deano
Is that it is that all they got ???Deano<br /><br />Is that it is that all they got ???nikonoreply@blogger.com