tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post1389756411508346942..comments2023-12-20T19:39:29.865+00:00Comments on Munguin's Republic: THE WORD FROM WONGA WONGA LANDMunguinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-69004868414225084892011-10-28T23:13:41.351+01:002011-10-28T23:13:41.351+01:00Mr S.
I think that the Wonga man is invited into ...Mr S.<br /><br />I think that the Wonga man is invited into what passes for polite society because he gives quite a considerable amount of money to Mr Cameron. You can buy anything if you have enough money. And I'm afraid it was ever thus.<br /><br />I take your point about older workers. It was always like that though. Older guys contributed a bit less, but what they lacked in speed and rate of production they often make up with experience.<br /><br />People accepted that. Now managers expect everyone to work to target.<br /><br />I'd be very careful before I employed an older person for that reason. I guess that in the old days, people had often been with the company wince they were 14, and when they got to 60, slowed down and began to forget where they'd left their tools, it was excused. :)<br /><br />And I agree. Pensions were ruined by Gordon Brown. State pensions have not made up the difference, and savings decrease in value by a very considerable amount every year, so you have no choice but work until you can work no more... if you can find work.<br /><br />What a wonderful set of islands we live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-8663188177470174352011-10-28T23:05:35.759+01:002011-10-28T23:05:35.759+01:00Dean.
Well, I've not had too much difficulty....Dean.<br /><br />Well, I've not had too much difficulty...although I've never been involved with militant workers.<br /><br />I admit that there is a lot of work in it, but the problem is that if you are going to sack someone, a life changing action (ie the person has no job, and can't get a reference and may not be able therefore to get another job...with all the attendant problems like being chucked out of their home...etc) you have to make sure that it can't be done on a whim.<br /><br />Good recruitment, good training and good supervision can overcome most of these problems.<br /><br />The trouble is that so few managers have much of an idea about recruitment, or interviewing, and take a very piecemeal approach to training.<br /><br />What we don't want is a manager that has recruited the wrong person for whatever reason, trained them badly, and taken a dislike to them, firing them without any excuse.<br /><br />But yes, I understand what you are saying. It's time consuming. But then many things in management are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-89695533234938617712011-10-28T20:00:34.410+01:002011-10-28T20:00:34.410+01:00sorry point 'b' isn't supervision but...sorry point 'b' isn't supervision but disciplinaryDean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-59356468968596040002011-10-28T19:59:22.151+01:002011-10-28T19:59:22.151+01:00"You have to be able to sack people if they c..."You have to be able to sack people if they can't do the job. And let's face it you can."<br /><br />With respect Tris, in Britain, you very nearly can't due to the laws.<br /><br />Lets take an example in an industry I am familiar with. You have a carehome worker who isn't up to the job. This poses risks to the quality of care for the residents.<br /><br />Now, by the law as it stands right now, you cannot fire that person for incompetence or failure to do their duties unless:<br />a) you give them at least 3 supervisions (which can take months each time) <br />b) you give them a supervision (requiring fullest documented paperwork to back up every single claim you make against them, including the previous supervisions<br />c) they can appeal<br />d) they can appeal again<br />e) and again (you get the idea)<br /><br />And unless you have EVERYTHING documented down, in a process which frankly can take just shy of a full year, they stay and the manager loses their job instead.<br /><br />Now, you see why I cannot agree with you when you claim that 'yes you can fire people'. That, at least in the carehome industry simply isn't true. And this in turn risks the fight for improved quality and standards for our old people.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-43784917741413460632011-10-28T19:12:48.236+01:002011-10-28T19:12:48.236+01:00A company like Wonga would once have been classed ...A company like Wonga would once have been classed as a back street money lender and its owner would have been unlikely to have been received in polite society. So, I suppose Mr. Beecroft's exalted position is a sort of triumph for today's egalitarianism.<br /><br />Having been an employer, I have some sympathy with firms stuck with under-performing employees. As I have got older, I notice that my work rate and ability to do two or three things at once have declined considerably. I forget things more often. Frankly, I would now be pretty hopeless in a full-time, high pressure job.<br /><br /> Now that "ageism" is a crime, how could I get rid of an older employee who is no longer up to the job? It's not a situation which anyone approaches lightly, particularly with people you have known for a long time. When people retired at a set age it was easier and you could always offer part time or extended contracts to people with valuable experience. Some liked to be asked, others couldn't wait for freedom. But in today's situation with private occupational pension schemes (including my own) not keeping up with inflation, I can well understand that someone would want to hold on to full time employment for longer.Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57156745860771001012011-10-28T15:59:32.211+01:002011-10-28T15:59:32.211+01:00Well Dean. It's not as easy as pie, but you ha...Well Dean. It's not as easy as pie, but you have to manage the situation. You have to ensure that you have done everything that you can to train the person, and keep a record of your meetings with him/her. After 3 warnings you can dismiss them.<br /><br />But we live in a world of people, Dean. Sometimes an employee will not be working as well as he did, because he is ill, and worried, or his partner, child, or whatever is ill, or his relationship is having trouble. Surely we should try to help people through these things.<br /><br />It's easier to sack people here than anywhere else in Europe. <br /><br />But I agree with you. You have to be able to sack people if they can't do the job. And let's face it you can. <br /><br />You just can't do it willy nilly like they would like to do at "Wonga.com", which has been condemned for its practices from as far apart as The Harvard Review, (which called it utterly ethically bankrupt) and the Church of Scotland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-74965801861917189032011-10-28T15:49:57.257+01:002011-10-28T15:49:57.257+01:00Yes CH. I think it will get interesting. And as lo...Yes CH. I think it will get interesting. And as long as the Tories keep fielding ignorant idiots like this stupid woman to stoke the flames, it should keep people's support.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4<br /><br />What was it Jesus did in the temple with the money changers and lenders?<br /><br />Oh yes, he didn't open a shop and a cafe. No he threw the buggers out.<br /><br />Top marks then to the guy who has resigned because his faith demands that he support the protesters rather than the bead counters in St Paul's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-72816684876735833692011-10-28T15:45:07.946+01:002011-10-28T15:45:07.946+01:00He sounds like a....well a complete Wonga, Munguin...He sounds like a....well a complete Wonga, Munguin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57138653093174754502011-10-28T11:49:06.126+01:002011-10-28T11:49:06.126+01:00One thing I have been told my mother (manager) is ...One thing I have been told my mother (manager) is just how difficult it is to remove employees. <br /><br />Sacking is so impossible nowadays, managers simply either 'manage' them out of their firm/business/department or actually transfer them into someone else jurisdiction.<br /><br />Either way, you still have an under performing employee who is causing problems. <br /><br />I totally understand however the need to ensure workers rights, especially of appeal (of a sacking). But really, there has to be room to reinvestigate the policies applied in this area.Dean MacKinnon-Thomsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221192592535723681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-2761787322459721572011-10-28T11:48:45.115+01:002011-10-28T11:48:45.115+01:00Occupy London protest issues demands to democratis...<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/28/occupy-london-city-st-pauls" rel="nofollow">Occupy London protest issues demands to democratise City of London</a><br /><br /><i>Glasman said that St Paul's Cross was the site of the most ancient known democratic practice in the UK and it was the most appropriate spot to make a claim for the extension of citizenship.<br /><br />"By declaring that the point of their protest is the democratisation of London the meaning of the occupation is transformed. It opens a prospect for civic renewal and the challenging of unaccountable power elites.<br /><br />"The protesters have stumbled upon the source of financial power within the British state. This could get interesting," he added.</i>cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-14499313642020658922011-10-28T09:06:47.104+01:002011-10-28T09:06:47.104+01:00How lovely for all the millionaires but more gray ...How lovely for all the millionaires but more gray sky thinking for the rest of us mere mortals. The nasty party are well and truly back eh. Every little helps and as long as the British and Scottish media insist on reporting on everything that happens in England as if it happened here as well it should boost the cause of independence no end.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-69267774941994178122011-10-28T00:21:25.461+01:002011-10-28T00:21:25.461+01:00Just wrote a post on that for tomorrow CHJust wrote a post on that for tomorrow CHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092475090824666694.post-57141736474033814082011-10-27T22:39:02.958+01:002011-10-27T22:39:02.958+01:00Cut these benefit scroungers pronto.<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15486792" rel="nofollow">Cut these benefit scroungers pronto.</a>cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.com